AD bruisers get black cleaver

Moonfall Saber·Dec 29, 2017·3 votes·528 views

AP bruisers get NOTHING EVEN CLOSE

? ? ? I mean come on these arent even comparable

are all aa based AP champions who need an item.

15 Comments

SalronDec 29, 20174 votes

Design an ap bruiser item that isn't overpowered and/or abusable by mages

RalanrDec 29, 20171 votes

Truly the most difficult problem with AP itemization.

How can AP fighters and assassins get an item that mages won't use better?

Moonfall SaberDec 30, 20171 votes

melee only

Moonfall SaberDec 29, 20171 votes

60 AP 400 Health 10% cooldown reduction

Unique passive: Hitting an enemy with an ability reduces their magic resist by 5% (stacks 3 times) Unique passive: Melee basic attacks deal 30 + (10% ability power) and reduces enemies magic resist by 5% ( stacks 3 times) (These passives stack)

60 AP 300 Health
10% cooldown reduction

Unique passive: Dealing magic damage shields you for 10 + ( 1 per level + 10% magic damage dealt) (Caps at 10% maximum health)

I can keep going

SalronDec 30, 20171 votes

Sounds disgusting on Cass/Ryze honestly

UnboundHadesDec 29, 20173 votes

akali doesnt deserve to be strong

Moonfall SaberDec 29, 20171 votes

true but it still doesnt mean there shouldnt be an ap bruiser item

UnboundHadesDec 29, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moonfall Saber,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=x7FygUGw,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-29T22:47:35.484+0000)

true but it still doesnt mean there shouldnt be an ap bruiser item

give it "cant be bought by broken ninjas" then we good

Professor WardDec 30, 20172 votes

item 3001

how is this not being talked about, it is EASILY comparable, and i even feel like it shits on black cleaver. (mr, hp, mana, team damage, cdr vs hp, damage, cdr)

Its literally pushing burst mages into full/semi tank builds.

And item 3029 item 3001 item 3151 item 3116 item 3190 item 3111 // item 3047 is a world of shit right now.

Ap bruiser items are just fine right now

Moonfall SaberDec 30, 20171 votes

your not going to build item 3001 on Diana

Pierce The VealDec 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moonfall Saber,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=x7FygUGw,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-12-30T12:23:28.137+0000)

your not going to build on

You totally could if you wanted to, but what you're searching for a is a super high ap/damage item that is somehow not available to mages. Not an actual ap bruiser item. Meanwhile I'll just keep using abyssal mask on anyone who can take advantage of it.

Professor WardDec 30, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moonfall Saber,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=x7FygUGw,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-12-30T12:23:28.137+0000)

your not going to build on

you absolutely can with great success, especially late.

ShadòwDec 30, 20171 votes

why not?

the item is broken as anti ap item, and it even has good offensive stats for the fact that you basically make your enemys AP useless against you.

SasogwaDec 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moonfall Saber,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=x7FygUGw,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-12-30T12:23:28.137+0000)

your not going to build on

To be honest abyssal mask is the best example of an AP bruiser build based on base damage. The problem is that in general AP bruisers depend a bunch of ratios and have shields related to it. That makes their optimal build kinda full ap ish because you don't wanna miss on the multipliers like voidstaff, the actives like zhonya, and sometimes the rylai/liandry combo if you have some slow/dot (swain/rumble). The problem is if we make damage items like abyssal they're most likely gonna be abused by tanks, like Nautilus/Maokai/Ornn etc. because those got good base magic damage, you amplify that the way bruisers base AD is amplified by Steraks for instance, they might just shit aaaall over the metagame.

edit: an item that shreds MR on autoattacks is a good, balanced idea, but only really helps autoattack ap bruisers like Diana/Kayle and not at all other AP bruisers like Swain/Rumble. And we have already wit's end which is kinda meh. Getting another better item might just basically remove any attract to buying wit's end or nashor's tooth. (that might have to be considered, as those definitely don't seem that overpowered, even somewhat underwhelming)