Against pure AD team? All the armor I build is useless because AD has a shit ton more shred options compared to AP.
I can prioritize armor to my heart's freaking content against an all AD team and I'll still get shredded pretty fast, it's kind of dumb.
Illâoi Evê Siôn2 votesAt least you get some Health and damage out of the Armor items.
Ralanr2 votesUhh...AP gets AP and Heath items.
Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votesThat's even worse? Armor gets damage against enemies with no Health. Magic Resistance doesn't get damage against enemies that do get Health.
Edit: Though AD does have Life Steal :/
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Edge of Daybreak1 votesway more? black cleaver is the only AD shred item in the game. Most of the issue with ad killing you is that they have sustained damage through auto attacks where mages can have their spells dodged.
Serevas1 votesBonus armor gets completely decimated by the combination of 
and 
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LDR alone gets rid of nearly half the armor that you build.
OP's point is that you have a lot more options to get through armor itemization, and it chews through much more armor, where AP only has 
to deal with magic resistance stacking.
Edge of Daybreak1 votesBonus armor gets completely decimated by the combination of
LDR alone gets rid of nearly half the armor that you build.
OP's point is that you have a lot more options to get through armor itemization, and it chews through much more armor, where AP only has
Yeah but the difference is bonus armor vs total magic resistance. Base armor scales much higher than base magic resist and penetrating total magic resist is better than bonus armor especially when your champion functions from about 200-400 more range than the ad champions do. Until you reach incredibly high amounts of bonus armor the total magic pen reduces resistances by more. Heck last whisper doesnt even help against squishies while void helps against everything. Riot's most likely not going to make more pen until they deal with void staff.
Bears Dont Care1 votesBonus armor gets completely decimated by the combination of
LDR alone gets rid of nearly half the armor that you build.
OP's point is that you have a lot more options to get through armor itemization, and it chews through much more armor, where AP only has
Hold up a second.
The LW item line only affects BONUS armor gained.
Black cleaver affects TOTAL armor possessed by the target.
For example, if your target has 300 armor, the LW item line won't touch the base armor value but black cleaver will.
So assuming Black cleaver's effect occurs first, the only thing LW is touching is the bonus armor left over by black cleaver's effect which is less than what it used to be.
VS applies to TOTAL magic defense, and this is calculated BEFORE flat penetration is applied. Correct me if I am wrong, the combination of VS and a Liandry's torment would have a significantly greater penetration value than a Black cleaver and Youmuu's ghostblade.
Furthermore, AP burst damage is generally higher than AD burst damage due to the amount of AP being available is significantly higher. The only one's competing with that burst damage is ADC's, who utilize a combination of AD, AS, Steroids, and crit to compete with the same burst damage.
I agree AP does have significant disadvantages to AD, but we should analyze the items available with a bit more objectivity if these discussions are to be considered seriously by RIOT.
Serevas1 votesApparently a lot of people have difficulty understanding what ARMOR ITEMIZATION means. I'm fully aware that it's bonus armor, but it's shredding through just shy of half the bonus armor.
That frustration aside. If you want to have a serious conversation about the value of penetration you have to consider the type of damage applied as well. AD is typically applied through a sustained manner where Magic damage is almost always applied in burst.
So that being said, the penetration of auto attacks become far more valuable than the penetration of a few spells with cooldowns preventing them from being applied continuously. Penetrating 70% of armor with 2 attacks a second is of far greater value than penetrating 100% of magic resistance with spells that can only be applied once every 2-5 seconds.
Breaku1 votesWeird, I find it much harder to itemize against AP champions
