Still don't understand why early /ff isn't an option in the case of DCs

Demonkiller89·Mar 11, 2016·40 votes·2,203 views

Title kinda says is call, but I post this form occasionally while I cool down from yet another wasted 20+ minute game in which someone didnt load in properly. Instead of the game realizing this and either going directly back to Q and punishing the disconnected player with a leaving pentalty (this is the best option Riot) or at least recognizing the a player is missing and allowing the 4 remaining players to /ff before 20 minutes rather than wasting all that time, it forced them to play it out. I simply don't understand why this hasnt been added. It can be that difficult for the game to notice that a player hasnt moved/bought for the first 3 minutes of a game. Please explain Riot.

11 Comments

IqqiMar 11, 20169 votes

There is no logical reason for a surrender timer in the first place since it takes a strong majority 4 out of 5 to surrender anyway. If a team comes to the conclusion that their is no hope and they do not want to continue than that is their decision.

Its funny that the one thing Riot wants to stick their heads in and weigh in on is judging players game when they are not there. There are 10 people in the match and none of them are Riot. They are there. They know the situation. It is their choice to choose to surrender or not. Games are decided these days well before the 20min mark in most cases.

In my experience if someone starts a surrender, its because of 2 situations. Either A. Its just some QQ kid who got beat in lane, who has the maturity of a child and has his panties in a bunch and doesn't want to play anymore. Or B. The game is pretty much over and we don't want to waste 8+ minutes sitting around as the other team slowly pushes objectives, or much more likely just farms kills for the next 15min.

Now sure there would have to be some sort of rule like if you game isnt at least X long, you do not get IP for the game. Otherwise yes people could farm LP in 5min with a group of 4+ people.

You would also have to say if you are a 4 man team you need a unanimous decision to surrender for that to take place. Something you deal with if you decide you want to queue as a 4 man.

I mean look at ARAM or other games modes with no competitive point to begin with. You still have to wait 15min to surrender. There are tons of AFKs in ARAM and depending on RNG you could have a terrible team vs. a great team. However in ARAM the goal is always kills first. No one likes dieing 8+ times in 15min while the other team just gladly focuses on kills.

Heck Riot is not even smart enough to code in an escape into the surrender system that immediately cancels the surrender if 2+ people have already said no. It waits for the timeout or for everyone to submit an answer. Honestly some of the coding over there is the laziest stuff I have ever seen.

Demonkiller89Mar 11, 20163 votes

Yup, all in all its just Riot being too busy with the next champ they can sell us or patch to change the meta so we will buy more skins than to give us basic quality of life changes. I'm glad I dont have to put money into this game anymore or I'd feel terrible because its such a great game but little things like this are infuriating. If Riot wants to fix the toxicity of its players then stop forcing them to sit around in losing situation like this. Nothing makes me rage faster than wasting my time.

káchiggaMar 12, 2016

They are not being lazy with the surrender thing, it just allows the people who wish to ff to see how many others want to because maybe someone starts it and then 2 people vote no, then the other 2 people might have voted yes and it's just nice to see how much of your team agree to ff.

Eevee In A JarMar 12, 20161 votes

I agree it's funny that Riot want's to judge players' game when they aren't there. They let average 10 year olds decide the punishment on tribunal. The average usually are decently "judged" but a good percentage of them are pretty garbage. It's also funny when Riot "claims" to want bunch of things because you can surely bet your ass they will go back on almost every single one of them. Meanwhile Riot's obsessed with making sure kids aren't swearing and on good behavior so parents think League is OK for their kids but what's the point of censoring all this shit and hiding all the fucking curses if you can't handle toxic people. Oh my God. I'm not a violent person but if people behaved like some of these people behave IRL, they'd be beaten by a mob on the spot. No one likes someone who just bitches and spreads negativity. And since I'm starting to do the same thing, I will stop. I'll just end with this; Riot doesn't know shit. Just laugh at the fact how funny it is. Riot's busy trying to be Pope Francis/fashion designers for champions while the game decays in quality. There almost literally is no point being a "good teammate" anymore. It's sad when the most effective method to avoid toxicity and be efficient is to mute everyone (both opponent and your teammates) and listen only to pings.

Oh and when you bring legitimate points to it, SJW league fanboys who will probably lynch you for saying Riot sucks will barrage you about ranting and crying. I understand ranting/crying is annoying but some people bring legitimate points... like how Riot clearly playing faves with champs. And Riot will continue to do all of this because we all keep buying RP and continue to buy their shit even though there's a problem. League is like a drug. Addictive and it'll ruin you. Like Gollum.

JRobin31Mar 12, 20163 votes

I actually like to play the game and not be plagued with surrender votes ever - like have an option to automatically answer all surrender votes with NO for me please. I understand that other players want more surrender votes and I don't really object to that; I just don't want to be bothered with surrender votes when I'm playing the game. I want to be able to turn this feature off and never ever ever see it again.

I wish I had a special summoner icon that I could display for all my potential teammates just to passively let them know that I do not ever surrender games - not for AFKS, not for feeders, not for ragers, not for trolls.

Capt MilkshakesMar 12, 20161 votes

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I actually like to play the game and not be plagued with surrender votes ever - like have an option to automatically answer all surrender votes with NO for me please. I understand that other players want more surrender votes and I don't really object to that; I just don't want to be bothered with surrender votes when I'm playing the game. I want to be able to turn this feature off and never ever ever see it again.

I wish I had a special summoner icon that I could display for all my potential teammates just to passively let them know that I do not ever surrender games - not for AFKS, not for feeders, not for ragers, not for trolls.

You're the type of player that gets really annoying. Sure its easy to throw out a blanket and say no to all surrenders. But do you really want to put your teammates through time they could be spending queuing up for the next game because you're stubborn? With how long League queues take, you'd think everyone would be open to ending the game quickly when its obvious it'll end in a loss.

Moonbeam 017Mar 12, 20162 votes

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You're the type of player that gets really annoying. Sure its easy to throw out a blanket and say no to all surrenders. But do you really want to put your teammates through time they could be spending queuing up for the next game because you're stubborn? With how long League queues take, you'd think everyone would be open to ending the game quickly when its obvious it'll end in a loss.

As one of those players that also rarely, if ever surrenders, I'm of the mind that I want to do the very best I can. Sometimes that's enough to turn a loss into a victory and sometimes it's not. I'm also spending my time just as much as anyone else, so why would I want to waste the time I've already spent on a loss that isn't assured? You may lose heart / morale, but not everyone does and like myself, will fight until the very end for every last chance / hope.

Capt MilkshakesMar 28, 20161 votes

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As one of those players that also rarely, if ever surrenders, I'm of the mind that I want to do the very best I can. Sometimes that's enough to turn a loss into a victory and sometimes it's not. I'm also spending my time just as much as anyone else, so why would I want to waste the time I've already spent on a loss that isn't assured? You may lose heart / morale, but not everyone does and like myself, will fight until the very end for every last chance / hope.

There's a difference between, "we just got spanked" and "there is no point in trying". I'd get laughed at for saying this at any point in time playing League, except for the current season. Games are so quickly decided, that trying hard enough or no, the loss is assured.

On that note, I hate insta-surrenderers (spelling amirite?), but I hate stubborn glory types even more.

MatezoideMar 11, 20161 votes

But muh abuse

Troll for TrumpMar 12, 20161 votes

Yes, for intentional DCing, but not for joining the game late. That's likely a game crash, and that's uncontrollable. Yes, I checked the firewall. Still happens quite a bit, and can screw up me playing Shaco/ Maokai.

Bugsplat errors rarely happen, but they are a thing.