you guys wont stop

Joe Dredd·Dec 9, 2014·2 votes·467 views

until Lee Sin's wr drops from 45% to 5%.

17 Comments

xLegendary TrollDec 9, 20141 votes

What's wrong with Lee Sin?

Joe DreddDec 9, 20141 votes

Everyone on the forums seems to think Lee is OP.

xLegendary TrollDec 9, 20142 votes

Well the majority of those people can't play Lee Sin so they're salty. "If I can't have success with him no one can!"

This is why we can't have "good" champions. Everyone eithe has to be bad or unplayable. The moment we have a good champion it's considered OP because the majority of the cast is "bad" or unplayable.

Haters, please explain to me how Lee Sin is more OP than champions like Zed, Leblanc, Master Yi, Nunu, Pantheon, Talon, etc. just a few that pop into my head.

SouL1essDec 9, 20142 votes

Lee Sin has better base damage and bonus AD scaling than Talon does.

Maybe one part of his possible OP'ness

Joe DreddDec 10, 20141 votes

Talon can aoe fuck a team.

Leti the YetiDec 9, 20141 votes

I dont see the connection between a high difficulty leading to people thinking its OP rather high difficulty would lead to people to think they were UP

Pantheon has nonexistent mechanics and out play as all you do is throw a spear, stun them, poke em a dozen times and does literally nothing else Nunu, has less damage, less cc, less self peel, less gap closers, less everything than lee sin Talon's like veigar but with a less reliable burst master yi, zed etc. ARE considered OP just like lee sin so not much to say there . -. people still play LB after her silence was removed?

Joe DreddDec 10, 20141 votes

Master Yi isn't OP anywhere but bronze.

Leti the YetiDec 10, 20141 votes

he seems pretty op in kr diamond solo q too

Joe DreddDec 10, 20141 votes

Maybe they simply like playing him over there? Why wouldn't he be popular in na diamond too if he was op?

Leti the YetiDec 10, 20141 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx5u7i_XT7g cuz league community is weird

Hypochondria9Dec 9, 20142 votes

The majority of the Lee Sin hate started when Riot was going to rework him, and Reddit Lee Sin fanboys threw such a hissy fit over it they cancelled it. Then they said they wouldn't nerf him because of his popularity. It was the first time Riot had straight up said they care more about LCS big plays and whiny Lee Sin mains then the games actual balance.

It pissed people off and people are still bitter about it. His kit is overloaded as fuck though, and his early game presence pretty much made tank junglers obsolete.

Joe DreddDec 10, 20141 votes

It wasn't even as much Reddit fanboys who liked to see Lee Sin, but instead Lee Sin mains who valued his early game presence over being balanced all all stages of the game. They didn't say they cared more about LCS, because Lee has been nerfed since then. Multiple times.

Hypochondria9Dec 10, 20141 votes

Link

Morello says they didn't nerf Lee Sin because of popularity, and Lee Sin's popularity is only grown by his constant appearances in LCS matches. His nerfs were love taps mostly, and the removal of his attack speed debuff was something he never should have had to begin with.

Joe DreddDec 10, 20141 votes

So it doesn't count as a nerf? Lol you guys's thought process is stupid as fuck. Also, as a counter argument, aren't you guys just mad because Morello chose their side instead of your's? Part of the community is begging Riot to nerf Lee, the other part isn't. If Lee is nerfed, then one side cries that Riot is balancing simply because players cry. If Lee isn't nerfed, then one side cries that Riot is balancing simply because players cry.

SmokingPuffinDec 10, 20141 votes

his early game presence pretty much made tank junglers obsolete.

With the current state of the game, you could delete Lee Sin and tank junglers would still be pointless.

Bad clear times, dubious sustain, weak synergy with the new smite items, Juggernaut isn't nearly as good as Ancient Golem, poor dueling power, useless in counterjungling...there are many flaws to tanky junglers that become more of a problem now that the jungle part of jungling is more of a thing.

I think New Sejuani might be a thing, but tank junglers as a class are just suffering right now.