Fiora at 49.6% winrate and most popular champion in korean high elo, MUST BUFF!

Tychusfindlay918·Sep 17, 2017·52 votes·2,743 views

Well in that case, I guess we can just revert a couple nerfs because he isn't at 50% either and he's not dominating.

http://www.op.gg/champion/fiora/statistics/top

49 Comments

KoKobotoSep 17, 201721 votes

I think Rito are fine with reverting Fiora because she theoretically takes skill because of her vitals. However the only time Fiora will not hit a vital is when the enemy has super mobility (like Riven / Yasuo) or is next to a wall. In almost all other circumstances it is near impossible to protect your vitals while fighting back.

In other words Rito needs to address how her vitals mechanic isn't really a mechanic at all and actually has little amount of game play.

option paralysisSep 17, 20176 votes

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I think Rito are fine with reverting Fiora because she theoretically takes skill because of her vitals. However the only time Fiora will not hit a vital is when the enemy has super mobility (like Riven / Yasuo) or is next to a wall. In almost all other circumstances it is near impossible to protect your vitals while fighting back.

watched yesterday on scarra stream fiora running down a full tank ornn and killing him in seconds while ornn's jungler was with him and then just running away with q after that. rofl better buff her again. I still remember when I played vlad top against her, and death recap showed 2000 true dmg. fucking joke.

ThefrostyvikingSep 17, 20171 votes

Ha! I once took 2,5 k or more while on a tank, beat that!

( Cho mains are not invited)

IoLanaSep 17, 20171 votes

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watched yesterday on scarra stream fiora running down a full tank ornn and killing him in seconds while ornn's jungler was with him and then just running away with q after that. rofl better buff her again. I still remember when I played vlad top against her, and death recap showed 2000 true dmg. fucking joke.

Isn't she supposed to do that? As a tank shredder with max health% true damage and skirmisher.

option paralysisSep 17, 20175 votes

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Isn't she supposed to do that? As a tank shredder with max health% true damage and skirmisher.

she kills squishies even faster. so whats the counterplay ? to 1v3 her ? lol ok

IoLanaSep 18, 20171 votes

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she kills squishies even faster. so whats the counterplay ? to 1v3 her ? lol ok

Nice try but you were complaining that the FULL TANK Ornn died to Fiora in a 2v1 with the jungler by his side ornn would not be doing any damage and he has CC that Fiora can easily block with her W, and since you said full tank I'm assuming this was late game 6 items completed where Fiora is at her strongest point in the game. And vlad who gets tanky as the game progresses with item 3151 item 3152 with more AP items.

There's actually little counterplay to Fiora other than getting/applying grievous wounds to her, building defense why? Her main damage is from her passive which is true damage

Sun Wu RyuumokuSep 17, 20171 votes

nice... if we can say f*cking good bye to tank, im for it.

And Fiora isn't an issue for my pick so its great

Pumping IronSep 17, 20171 votes

Give her time.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 17, 20175 votes

Thing is practically fiora is the malphite of fighters. All she does is Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q until you are 20% hp and all ins you. Such skill. Much duelist. Her regen and sustain in general is way too overloaded. Especially after 900 g vamp scepter. She scales into lategame after buying tiamat or phage and becomes unstoppable. This champ should never be around 50% winrate and especially not in a meta where early game is deciding because she is not meant to be early game. Yet riot doesn't care and monsters like fiora and kassa are allowed to have very good laning phases compared to champs like GP.

ArakadiaSep 17, 20178 votes

What is this comment jesus.

Lets exaggerate, list a champions strengths, not pay attention to the cons of the champion or that you don't start with tiamat, phage, or vamp scepter, and say that Riot doesn't care when they clearly do. Riot does care, they just disagree.

GULAG 4 USep 17, 20172 votes

You're new to the boards. This is the 'only' way people argue or complain about champions. They blow shit out of proportion and demonstrate their god complex.

ArakadiaSep 17, 20171 votes

I've been on the boards for nearly 3 years.

It's just still got these horrible comments.

GULAG 4 USep 17, 20172 votes

Because moderation is shit here and quality control literally doesn't exist.

ArakadiaSep 18, 20171 votes

What is considered quality is unclear.

sirwaterflesSep 17, 20171 votes

Thats why i get the q buff but detest the ult buf. If you are going to bring that shit back atleast make her hit #1 vital before you cant run away/towards her.

EasternBladeStarSep 17, 20179 votes

Mandatory worlds -patch buff to Lee Sin, Fiora, and Ryze. D'uh.

The LexerSep 18, 20171 votes

I mean, yes. But Ryze was also the lowest win rate in the game until this patch, so he's been needing it regardless.

AirKingNeoSep 17, 20177 votes

Fiora is now balanced around Bramble Vest

Question: What about matchups her opponent can't buy Bramble Vest?

machette151976Sep 17, 20171 votes

which champ can't buy bramble vest? i don't think it was limited to only melee/ranged etc.

AirKingNeoSep 17, 20179 votes

Gee, not sure. The multitude of champions who are put massively behind buy building the item?

HäxelSep 17, 20172 votes

tanks can build bramble, ads can build executioner. The only ones with the problems would be mages like swain. Especialy the ones who can't even build morrelmonicon like rumble, vladimir or kennen.

AirKingNeoSep 17, 20173 votes

Gee, maybe Fiora isn't countered by Executioner's because it's not as broken as Bramble and she can just build Tiamat and kill you instead?

ARE YOU FORGETTING BRUISERS, SKIRMISHERS, AND, ANTI-BRUISERS ARE CLASSES WHO CANNOT BUILD BRAMBLE ?

machette151976Sep 17, 20173 votes

lol... keep hitting valid points with those downvotes kiddo. anyone in this game could go bramble vest. it's a grevious wounds on autoattack + 35 armor that builds into an op ass item that I see every class buy. idk why fiora isn't countered by executioners when it does the same thing as brambles passive except you get bonus damage stats and can build into armor pen. but ok

CowseedSep 18, 20173 votes

downvotes =/= incorrect reply. Please remember this when discussing with someone. When having a discussion on the boards please, to an extent, try to ignore the downvotes or upvotes they recieved.

machette151976Sep 18, 20171 votes

did you even read what I said? I said "keep hitting valid points with those downvotes kiddo" meaning he's downvoting everyone with valid points.

CowseedSep 18, 20172 votes

EXACTLY!

WalkingInACircleSep 17, 20172 votes

Bramble Vest doesn't counter her doing 50% of your hp in one auto.

Its also getting nerfed on PBE because ayyyyy lmao.

AirKingNeoSep 18, 20171 votes

+300 cost and +5 armor

still going to be broken.

SalsonSep 17, 20175 votes

The graph shows she was struggling before the last patch, and only hit 49.4 this patch.

Darius definitely needs buffs though, the poor guy got a nerf, then a bugfix nerf, then 2 itemization nerfs.

But the way you're asking for it, why exactly would anyone take it seriously?

BlåbæretSep 17, 20175 votes

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Well in that case, I guess we can just revert a couple nerfs because he isn't at 50% either and he's not dominating.

http://www.op.gg/champion/fiora/statistics/top

Darius is braindead easy, so no.

dominusxSep 17, 20177 votes

Reeks of low elo here.

Tychusfindlay918Sep 17, 20172 votes

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Reeks of low elo here.

I would love to see these clowns make darius work even in diamond. Maybe then they'll realize just how hard it is to overcome his built in weaknesses.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 17, 20172 votes

Nah dude it takes extreme skill to walk up to someone press AA W Q and R to 100-0 any squishy.

GULAG 4 USep 17, 20171 votes

It also takes extreme skill to use exaggeration and blow things out of proportion amrite?

dominusxSep 17, 20171 votes

at best with pixel perfect animation canceling you gonna get 5 stacks on someone in like 1.5 second by AA W T.HYDRA-Q AA combo which trust me takes some effort in a teamfight while you get nuked by everyone and the adc gets 700hp shields

Daze CloverSep 17, 20172 votes

they should just buff the juggernauts again, it would be fun watching darius in lcs again

RankOneUgandaSep 17, 20172 votes

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they should just buff the juggernauts again, it would be fun watching darius in lcs again

they were not even broken in solo when darius was meta in pro play.

SalronSep 17, 201716 votes

Darius was broken when he was played in pro play and even then he still had very mixed performances because Darius isn't good in competetive

AFilthyCaitMainSep 17, 20171 votes

item 3070 Illaoi

chipndip1Sep 17, 20173 votes

PFFFFFFFT

ChíckenDaddySep 17, 20172 votes

Well according to the same site you put a link to. Darrius is currently 50.04% winrate and a 8.56% pick rate ( Fiora's is at 10.52%). so I don't see what your problem is with two carry champs which are always more popular are at balanced winrates.

MarcsharkSep 18, 20172 votes

One thing that I find interesting about Fiora is that they way that people in high-elo play around her vitals is they just opt out of bad ones (facing towards fiora) by walking away from her until it drops off and then walk back and get a new one because they alternate. It's extremely telling when the biggest source of counterplay is not playing around them but just ditching the bad ones because if you don't you will lose trades.

HäxelSep 17, 20171 votes

champ what gets buffed in a patch, that lands on nearly 50% winrate and isn't a tank in a tankmeta: Ofc people play her relieved they cans tep a bit down from only playing fiora. i'm definetly sure playrate will sink in 7.19 again (xin zhao time? unless fiora beats xin as a hard counter with the update).

KVbqbFsC8eSep 17, 20171 votes

They should just rework her again.

Agent CorgiSep 18, 20171 votes

I actually revisited her Reveal for that rework she received. Alot of people weren't happy with her being reworked the first time, don't think people would be happy if they did it again. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-update/champion-update-fiora