If you nerf jax, you can kill two birds with one stone

Tychusfindlay918·Oct 8, 2018·173 votes·22,905 views

You can nerf a champion that actually deserves to be nerfed AND you can whip out the popcorn and watch hashinshin lose his shit.

107 Comments

Minimac2000Oct 9, 2018129 votes

If you nerf xayah and rakan's hp and buff malphite ult, you can kill two birds with one stone

FNC 6ixGODOct 9, 20186 votes

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If you nerf xayah and rakan's hp and buff malphite ult, you can kill two birds with one stone

Logged in to upvote lmao

Add92Oct 9, 201812 votes

I'd vote for you if you ran for presidency

Minimac2000Oct 9, 20182 votes

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I'd vote for you if you ran for presidency

Ty, my good sir. I'd run for boards president but we already have a boards Jesus so it seems a bit unnecessary. Although, if we seperate church and state here I might have a shot lol

YumaS2AstralOct 9, 20182 votes

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If you nerf xayah and rakan's hp and buff malphite ult, you can kill two birds with one stone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PglAxmNrtOU

Z3SleeperOct 8, 201834 votes

Honestly though, nerf Jax. He's just doing too much right now. I blame overall damage creep this season but that's no excuse to not nerf an outlier until the core issue is fixed.

Morgana UltimaOct 9, 20187 votes

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Honestly though, nerf Jax. He's just doing too much right now. I blame overall damage creep this season but that's no excuse to not nerf an outlier until the core issue is fixed.

How is he overpowered at all? He is beaten by CC. This game has an absolute a fuckton of cc.

In team fights he's not that devastating if you have good peel. Sure he's a great duelist, but that's his job. He was specifically built to be a duelist.

The champion hasn't changed in years. I'll concede that perhaps his damage output is too high with conqueror, but that means conqueror should be nerfed and not jax.

SpecterVonBarenOct 9, 20184 votes

This argument comes from the same boards that are now saying Nami is broken OP just because every other support has been nerfed. There is no logic to the Boards, only bitching.

Z3SleeperOct 9, 20186 votes

[{quoted}](name=Morgana Ultima,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NzAHOf8r,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-10-09T04:32:08.024+0000)

I'll concede that perhaps his damage output is too high with conqueror, but that means conqueror should be nerfed and not jax.

"One champion is using Conqueror too well, so we're nerfing it for everyone"

While we're at it, Veigar gets ridiculous amounts of AP from Rabadons, so let's nerf Rabadons for everyone.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 9, 20182 votes

What is he doing too much? Countering the top tier champs?

Lunar StrainOct 8, 201816 votes

Jax

Does

Not

Deserve

Nerfs

Conq is the problem. Time warp tonic is the problem. Sterak's change buffing his Q, E, and R is the problem. ER giving him nigh-zero CD on his E is the problem. Jax is not the problem. This dumpster fire of a metagame is the problem. The same things that make Jax overbearing also make Darius and Irelia overbearing

BlåbæretOct 8, 201845 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lunar Strain,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NzAHOf8r,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-10-08T21:04:57.704+0000)

Jax

Does

Not

Deserve

Nerfs

Conq is the problem. Time warp tonic is the problem. Sterak's change buffing his Q, E, and R is the problem. ER giving him nigh-zero CD on his E is the problem. Jax is not the problem. This dumpster fire of a metagame is the problem. The same things that make Jax overbearing also make Darius and Irelia overbearing

Yeah guys, let's nerf half the items in the game as well as runes instead of just nerfing 1 champion.

Makes sense.

The BeholderOct 8, 201843 votes

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Yeah guys, let's nerf half the items in the game as well as runes instead of just nerfing 1 champion.

Makes sense.

Ahem Ezreal

Votable JesterOct 9, 20186 votes

To be fair, he's also nerfed enough that he generally depends on those items.

Sharpest glassesOct 9, 20183 votes

its same for most champs MonkeyKing Rengar Shaco

MelledoneusOct 9, 20182 votes

We don't talk about Ezreal for obvious reasons.

Z3SleeperOct 9, 20182 votes

Well he's certainly fulfilling his purpose of putting things in a museum.

Clockwork MouseOct 9, 20184 votes

Actually the runes do pack quiet the punch. Would be nice if they did less strait up damage and were more imaginative.

e46 FanaticOct 9, 20186 votes

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Yeah guys, let's nerf half the items in the game as well as runes instead of just nerfing 1 champion.

Makes sense.

actually it makes 100% perfect sense, Almost Every Single Time someone cries about an OP champion, they end up explaining itemization issues and it's just the truth, us players with experience realize this.

DarukongSrOct 8, 20188 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lunar Strain,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NzAHOf8r,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-10-08T21:04:57.704+0000)

Jax

Does

Not

Deserve

Nerfs

Conq is the problem. Time warp tonic is the problem. Sterak's change buffing his Q, E, and R is the problem. ER giving him nigh-zero CD on his E is the problem. Jax is not the problem. This dumpster fire of a metagame is the problem. The same things that make Jax overbearing also make Darius and Irelia overbearing

Don't mention Darius in the same sentence. Darius had real counterplay and a worse winrate, and Jax has bearly zero counterplay.

ExpStealerOct 9, 20183 votes

Exactly, he has no gap closers. You kite him for days as long as he doesn't have Flash. Jax on the other hand gives not a care in the world because of his Q and E.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 9, 20183 votes

Steraks did not buff jax. It nerfed the entire bruiser class to shit.

Lunar StrainOct 9, 20183 votes

Sterak's change nerfed tri and tri only

It's now bonus AD. Jax Q, E, and R scale with bonus AD. Irelia passive scales with bonus AD, Q and W scale with total. Darius passive and R scale on bonus AD, Q and W scale with total. Camille W and E scale with bonus AD, Q scales with total.

Sterak's change was not much of a nerf. It nerfed its synergy with tri and buffed its synergy with their kits.

DoktorKaiserOct 8, 201815 votes

While Jax is broken as hell, there are at least 20 champs/items/runes that need nerf before him and they aren't getting them so in your place I wouldn't be so optimistic that Jax is getting nerfed.

RewtOct 8, 201814 votes

I dont know why but Hashinshin is actually so fucking entertaining.

Maybe its the same reason IWD is entertaining. Just a fucking ape.

GlaricionOct 8, 20184 votes

I love to watch Hashinshin.

Nothing better than to hash out if he is arguing passionately about something he's reasoned out or if he's just salty about losing to somebody. Somehow still manages to be right at least 3/4ths of the time.

SpecterVonBarenOct 9, 20183 votes

I mean if you come to these boards to read posts then you already love seeing people complain about anything and everything.

BisaknospOct 8, 201811 votes

i remember him being broken even before conqueror was out so i dont get those people that say conqueror is the problem i mean it is one but that doesnt mean jax isnt one too

lolipopevelynnOct 9, 20189 votes

"champs with 50% winrate need to be nerfed"

boards need to be deleted. another reason why the game is in a terrible state.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 9, 20182 votes

Especially when we talk about champs like jax who are easy and popular.

French CourtesanOct 9, 20189 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/jax/euw/top/diamond

almost absolutely balanced 50% win rate? Better nerf that shit because I dont like Hashinshin

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/urgot/euw/top/diamond

above average win rate with massive pick rate? NOOO urgot is getting nerfed because of LCS fuck your rito games.

GlaricionOct 9, 20183 votes

Wish we could see what the average winrate for a champion is after X number of games.

When a champion becomes FotM their winrates can tank because of people who auto-pick them may think that they can exploit FotM champions without first learning how to actually play them.

Could be what is holding Akali back. No clue whether or not she's OP as I just autoban her so I don't have to be annoyed by her 'true stealth'.

http://na.op.gg/champion/akali/statistics/mid

MonstermushmushOct 9, 20188 votes

When did Jax become OP? I'm just wondering because in my opinion, Irelia has been more than Jax for a while.

Sharpest glassesOct 9, 20182 votes

Your logic is flawed.

outplayrOct 9, 20186 votes

You are all looking at this the wrong way. Maybe it’s not jax who is the problem, but The broken ranged top laners that force people to play jax that are the problems. Instead of nerfing jax into the ground so that the same problem exists, but just less aperant because ironically all of the people who are complaining (surprisingly) don’t play top. Jax’s only job is to hyper carry (cough cough every adc). Who would have guessed when a champion that is super weak in laning phase gets fed he will do a lot of damage mid game. Nerf ranged top laners, watch in awe how quickly the meta changes top while everyone else (and top laners because we apperantly don’t exist) rejoice in a slightly less unhealthy meta.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 9, 20185 votes

Jax shits on sion, urgot, aatrox, irelia. The top tier picks in toplane. Actually ranged champions destroy jax.

Blackii7Oct 9, 20185 votes

Oh god, please No. Jax is the only counter to a few VERY BROKEN champions, like graves. Nerfing him would be so bad, it would make the game even more broken.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 9, 20183 votes

Why do you think the sudden jax hate start? He counters all the rightclick champs. Majority are adc players. Kindred, graves included.

AS I LAY FEEDINGOct 9, 20185 votes

Well Jax gets countered by grasp of the undying and lane bullies. I find it funny that people dont know that.

SithesisLordOct 9, 20189 votes

Still doesn´t change the fact Jax is broken.

He loses 8 out of 41 top lane matchups.

Eight. And two of those not even by significant amounts.

Nasus, Yorick, Mundo, Ornn, Illaoi, Shen, Gragas, Maokai, GP and Garen, Grasp users are some of Jax's best matchups.

The only Grasp users that are countering Jax are Poppy and Maokai, for obvious reasons that have very little to do with their keystone choice.

Darius, Renekton and Quinn, the lane bullies? Another of Jax's best matchups.

The only lane bully he's losing to is Pantheon.

Jax has an insane 56% winrate against Darius, a lane bully, who, by your logic, should be beating Jax.

The aforementioned Grasp users Jax is beating are on descending order of Jax's winrate. From Nasus at 62.9%, to Garen at 50.5%.

How come the crushing majority of users of a keystone, which by your logic should counter Jax, losing the Jax matchup?

Could it be that Jax is a disgusting stat-check fully deserving of the Old Poppy balance treatment? A disgusting stat-check that had his condition merely aggravated, not created, by Conqueror's existence?

Contrary to what people think, the problem isn´t Conqueror. The problem is Jax. Conqueror merely helped reveal how unacceptable his current state is.

LynXerfOct 9, 20184 votes

Jax is a good champion to pick into Darius actually because his kit just suits the matchup - his leap in particular is so important to dodge Darius Q and then Jax E can completely dodge Darius's cripple. So if Jax has some health, Darius is in a world of trouble.

I have been playing Jax since Season 2 and now is definitely not his strongest point - it's just his strongest meta. And on top of that Conqueror and titantic Hydra are giving him reliable damage and durability that allows him a safe laning phase and transition into mid game. That is where his weakness should lie but it's negated right now.

Jax was much stronger in season 4 and 5 but the meta was rough as hell for him then. But now if he goes even in lane he finds himself vs 3 or 4 squishies with no CC and it's open season for Jax.

AS I LAY FEEDINGOct 9, 20182 votes

Nah the game is broken and this season is broken. Nothing will happen, because the season is kinda over and i will say this, this is the worst season ever lol.

KFCeytronOct 8, 20184 votes

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AND you can whip out the popcorn and watch hashinshin lose his shit.

I was hoping the second bird would be a Hashinshin reference, and indeed it was. This upvote is for you.

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Jaygo41Oct 8, 20184 votes

Oh god listening to the melodramatic sniffle "How could you forget about bruisers????" sniffle while he reddited his way to getting literally his own keystone was the most infuriating sequence in the LoL community in a long time. Seeing Jax go back to requiring skill or, god forbid, a tank item to stay alive might be a good exercise for him.

Hashinshin getting Conqueror was the biggest balance heist in history. I wish I had that kind of power.

lil kodaOct 8, 201817 votes

except nobody even wanted conqueor, HASH himself hates fucking conq, the balance team decided to give any bruiser true damage instead of just tossing us fervor

Gentleman GemsOct 9, 20183 votes

So what you're saying is that Nerfing Jax will inadvertently buff Malphite which will inadvertently nerf Xayah and Rakan?

I can see where you're coming from, but the logic seems a bit rocky.

Joke aside I do think Jax is in need of some nerfs, but if they do decide to do that they will need to watch champs who he was naturally strong against to see if they do end up getting out of control.

SpecterVonBarenOct 9, 20182 votes

Nerfs Jax.

"OMG RIOT WTF?! Jax was completely fine, all you have to do is x y and z and he's no problem! Why would you listen to those idiots calling for nerfs? Riot sucks at their jobs!"

LynXerfOct 9, 20182 votes

Jax just uses a lot of the strong stuff right now. Conqueror, item 3748 and his bonus resistances from his ult in a meta where resistances are lacking (with lethality in particular) give him a lot of reliable durability and damage. Not to mention his natural counters like Jayce Pantheon Poppy Vladimir aren't really taken top due to the meta.

His kit hasn't changed so it's not Jax who needs the nerf. Is that not natural logic? Conqueror needs a nerf, IMO titanic needs a nerf, resistances need a buff and damage needs to be lowered. These things will naturally push Jax into <50% win and much lower pick/ban. Nerfing Jax is yet another botched and half-assed fix to a wider problem.