So i noticed Kayn has the highest base mana regen in the game

Moonfall Saber·Jul 29, 2017·3 votes·1,231 views

Why?

19 Comments

zacktootallJul 29, 20175 votes

i mean have you seen the cost of his e

ModWulf HelhammerJul 30, 20175 votes

Champions usually have higher bases of a stat they don't build into. For instance, Zed has higher base armor than Shen, but Shen has higher base AD. Because in-game, Zed is building the AD, and Shen the armor

Asayake 5150glowJul 30, 20173 votes

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Why?

Is it a problem?

Otherwise, why the fuck do you care?

Moonfall SaberJul 30, 20172 votes

It is a problem. This guy has absolutly no mana problems

Asayake 5150glowJul 30, 20172 votes

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It is a problem. This guy has absolutly no mana problems

Then say that in your fucking post.

Also, is it a problem that he doesn't have mana problems?

Nanuk PihoqahiakJul 30, 20172 votes

What's the point of having mana if you're not gated by it at any point? To provide a fringe case for building Manamune?

Asayake 5150glowJul 30, 20171 votes

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What's the point of having mana if you're not gated by it at any point? To provide a fringe case for building Manamune?

Does it make him overpowered?

Otherwise there is no point in changing it.

Garen and Kata have no mana problems either. It doesn't make them overpowered.

It doesn't matter if there's a point to him being gated by mana or not, unless it is actually a balance problem and making him too strong, there's no point in needless nerfs.

Nanuk PihoqahiakJul 30, 20172 votes

It's not a matter of him being overpowered or underpowered due to his mana costs. It's a design philosophy. If you're going to implement a system that's supposed to provide a limitation, what's the point of it when that limitation is never met?

In the case of this thread, the author is pointing out that he has the highest base mana regeneration, and that his costs aren't relevant. If his costs aren't relevant, then he's able to execute more combos and do more than actual champions that are, surprise, gated by mana.

That IS a problem. It's also a problem with Camille and Fiora, as they can engage on you and continue to perform combos, going potentially even, and then outlasting older champion's / champion's with more expensive combos mana pools. This forces their opponent to leave lane, as they can't fight back at that point, which starts to snowball the lane in their favor, all because the limitation imposed on them, mana, is never completely spent.

Asayake 5150glowJul 30, 20171 votes

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It's not a matter of him being overpowered or underpowered due to his mana costs. It's a design philosophy. If you're going to implement a system that's supposed to provide a limitation, what's the point of it when that limitation is never met?

Who gives a damn. Honestly. Who gives a damn about design philosophy if it literally does not affect in game balance? Or playstyle/thematic problems?

In the case of this thread, the author is pointing out that he has the highest base mana regeneration, and that his costs aren't relevant. If his costs aren't relevant, then he's able to execute more combos and do more than actual champions that are, surprise, gated by mana.

Yet, surprise, he still isn't overpowered. So nerfing his mana costs and consequentially buffing his abilities to compensate would be a stupid choice that is easy to fuck up, and also completely unnecessary.

That IS a problem. It's also a problem with Camille and Fiora, as they can engage on you and continue to perform combos, going potentially even, and then outlasting older champion's / champion's with more expensive combos mana pools. This forces their opponent to leave lane, as they can't fight back at that point, which starts to snowball the lane in their favor, all because the limitation imposed on them, mana, is never completely spent.

Yet the champions are still balanced, even against those with mana problems. As they say, if it isn't broken...

Sp33d Zer0Jul 29, 20172 votes

Because he kayn't afford to be oom.

FireDrizzleJul 30, 20172 votes

OP NEW BUILD!!! item 1001 item 1004 ** Abuse it before it gets nerfed!!!**

Beas7ieJul 30, 20172 votes

Have you ever played as him?

If you don't have blue buff, then you run oom FAST!

RankOneUgandaJul 30, 20172 votes

newer champions are pretty much resourceless. it kind of started with fiora rework. then it gotten worse. worse and worse. camille might as well not have a mana bar. same with kayn. a lot of these champions don't even consider mana as a stat because they have high base mana. high regen. and low mana costs.

meanwhile you're jax. you use EWQ. you have to pop a corrputing potion because you have like 30 mana left xd. camille spams W off cd and she doesnt even get corrupting to start with

am not sure what riot is doing. but might as well remove mana from league at this point lol