Why are supports and mages the only champs gated by mana?

fuffychan··5 votes·542 views

I dont see Darius Graves Talon MonkeyKing Khazix going oom

And thats not even including Yasuo Gnar Renekton Rengar Riven Rumble LeeSin Zac Yasuo

Its not like theres any meaningful tradeoffs. The only difference is some champs require the skill of managing a resource or are forced into buying certain items while many (mostly AD) champs can buy damage or defense items immediately.

Ziggs Sona Swain Nidalee Orianna Diana item 3070

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ForgiveColour4 votes

Mages gated by mana in 2017 LUL

fuffychan2 votes

Not sure if stupid.

Go play a mage without buying a single mana item, like most of the above mentioned champs. Lets see how long you last.

ForgiveColour1 votes

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BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votes

Both of you need to stop slandering each other, everyone will have difference of opinions regardless if you find it morally correct or wrong.

DrCyanide1 votes

I regularly avoid mana items on Xerath, but that's because I can mitigate the mana costs with his passive and get an earlier item spike than my opponents. It's a little tough up until level 9 or so, but after that I don't even have to try and manage it.

Jo0o1 votes

Yeah, but mana items are generally strong. It's not like they fail to appreciably add to the Mage's AP and such.

Jo0o4 votes

Am I the only person who has occasional mana issues as Darius?

Rarely enough to stop my normal abilities, but it's reasonably common for me to get a fully stacked passive and then not have the 100 remaining mana necessary to dunk. Especially at low levels.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

This, but for all champs.

Yes. Supports and mages are the most prone to spam spells, and thus often easier to run oom. However, other champs are tuned around mana costs, as well. If you spam spells on Darius, you will run oom. If you spam spells on Nasus, you will run oom. If you spam spells on Miss Fortune or Varus, you will run oom.

The OP's premise is flawed. Mages and supports are NOT the only champs to run oom.

fuffychan1 votes

The only time Ive gone oom as him is after Ive got a quad kill with ult and ran out of mana for the 5th.

Jo0o2 votes

Darius's follow-up ults are free if he's getting kills with them... that's not a possible scenario.

fuffychan1 votes

Really? Then youre proving the point of my thread LOL

I havent played him in a long time anyway so they must have changed it

Jo0o1 votes

Sure, but he can't spam abilities in lane.

Skilled Darius players (Which my Silver ass does NOT fall under) aren't "gated" by mana in that they frequently run out, but rather are "gated" by the fact that they hold their abilities back in order to find times to make the most use of them. Darius can't simply spam his abilities in lane. Unlike many mages with the appropriate items, I might add.

NinjaGuy693 votes

I dont see Darius Graves Talon MonkeyKing Khazix going oom

This couldn't be further from the truth for any of those champions. Maybe (and that's a long shot maybe) Kha'zix isn't that bad but the rest are heavily gated by mana. Completely misinformed statement on your part.

And thats not even including Yasuo Gnar Renekton Rengar Riven Rumble LeeSin Zac Yasuo

I will agree that some of these champions should probably be gated by mana, but that presents another balance scenario for the Live Gameplay Team.

Mages are gated by mana because they would win a war of attrition against a considerable amount champions by poking them to death if they never ran out of mana.

robotmaster2 votes

Vald? Anyone.

My Heartshaker2 votes

Are you sure? item 3165 usually is all they need to never run out of mana.

fuffychan1 votes

Riot set up that "mage rework" to force all mages to NEED that item. Theyve admitted that it was intended to be a "core item" similar to item 3071 to "get them going". I dont know why they did that, because it reduces build diversity.

ForgiveColour1 votes

Tfw mages have more build diversity than any other role

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Are you sure? item 3165 usually is all they need to never run out of mana.

which u don't just on champs like Nidalee or most mage supports.

also during landing phase.. the VAST majority mages CERTAINLY have issues with mana item 3165 is great once teamfight start and kills and assist come in. but its nothing like the old item 3028 giving you % mana each second based on what u were missing..

Big Lincoln2 votes

on the other hand these champs can't also afford to sink gold into regen items and mana items that also provide AD don't exist besides item 3042 , which isn't worth building except on ezreal and urgot

do you want them to just slap mana on some AD items and raise AD mana costs?

fuffychan1 votes

I want them to actually have to think before they attack instead of simply spamming.

I mean look at a guy like Renekton

Why would you ever NOT spam every skill?

dangopee2 votes

Vi Nocturne are very mana gated just to name a couple. Especially Vi, even late game.

Yaśuo Main2 votes

Are you questioning how you can't see champions with no mana resource bar never run out of mana?

5050BS2 votes

Illaoi Pantheon Both have huge mana issue and have to buy a a mana item item 3025 or item 3110 basically

But yes most everyone else you listed have mana but there costs are so stupid low they might as well not have it.

Zelorxon1 votes

As a matter of fact, where i get proven right once again, but i don't even care since i know i'm right by default, the problem is not nerfing the play, but buffing the counterplay.

The answer to that was being able to go double doran, which solved the problem of pushing after lv7, but since riot WANTS to create toxicity since i bet my ass that you don't even know what happens at lv7 and why it's so crucial to push at that mark, they pretended to listen to the cries of their puppets (which i call them bronzetards, but it's not limited to bronze) and nerfed the double D.Ring, which will be eventually responded with ring+flask for the mana sustain but will lower the early ap, making mid lane an even more passive role, but since people don't know about rotations and powerspike they'll attempt to go and score kills in lane, which will lead to a 50%-50% situation of winning or losing, and thus people will get more frustrated since they'll push plays that are not supposed to happen and the game will be even more confusing and chaotic, since players are not responsible people that know when do something and when don't.

All because bronze V cried (AFTER IGNORING SOMEHTING I TOLD THEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON, AND NOW THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF RIDING THE WAVE) and pro play abused 3 rings, which they're already adapting so it won't matter at all.

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