Its clear that the nearly every rework has failed when...

Moonfall Saber·Apr 3, 2019·3 votes·1,621 views

Ryze win rate: 43.91 Akali win rate: 44.55 Aatrox win rate: 44.82

The games lowest win rate champions have all been reworked and nerfed into the ground.

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JamareeApr 3, 201911 votes

I mean if you want to ignore Warwick, Yorick, Nunu, Kayle, Poppy, Fiora, Irelia, Swain, and Xerath, then yeah

Bears Dont CareApr 3, 20196 votes

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Ryze win rate: 43.91 Akali win rate: 44.55 Aatrox win rate: 44.82

The games lowest win rate champions have all been reworked and nerfed into the ground.

Ignoring every ither champion does not failed a rework make.

WarpesApr 3, 20191 votes

Looking at the reworks that failed, which are failed reworks does though.

Boggles my mind right now that people are defending these reworks.. the amount that have failed/been reverted outnumber the ones that have succeeded.

ZephyrDrakeApr 3, 20191 votes

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Looking at the reworks that failed, which are failed reworks does though.

Boggles my mind right now that people are defending these reworks.. the amount that have failed/been reverted outnumber the ones that have succeeded.

I highly doubt it. Why don't you make a list of reworks that failed and a list of those who didn't fail and then compare them?

WarpesApr 5, 20191 votes

nah i think ill pass on that buddy, but thanks anyway

considering its already been done to death a million times in a million threads that you can already easily find if you're not living in a cave.

Moody PApr 3, 20193 votes

Win rate is not a metric of success

Moonfall SaberApr 4, 20191 votes

winning is not a metric of winning? wow that logic

Moody PApr 5, 20192 votes

Win rate is not the only* metric. People who think every champ should hover 50% every elo and that's balanced are stupid

The simple truth is some champions just won't be accessible mechanically or otherwise to average players who don't dedicate to them and this they will have low win rates. That is not imbalanced. That is a skill floor being a skill floor.

ParoeApr 5, 20191 votes

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Win rate is not the only* metric. People who think every champ should hover 50% every elo and that's balanced are stupid

The simple truth is some champions just won't be accessible mechanically or otherwise to average players who don't dedicate to them and this they will have low win rates. That is not imbalanced. That is a skill floor being a skill floor.

Very much agree. Most of the powerful champions in the game are simple champions with low skill floors who succeed for doing very simple things - Riven and Vayne for example are extremely effective doing their basic functions with little specific skill involved. Meanwhile champion a champion like aurelion sol can suffer in low ELO but have very high power in high ELO because his skill floor is high and his skill ceiling is high as well.

Come to think of it, there arent really many "high skill floor high skill cap" champions left in the game. Most champions are either easy to use and easy to pick up with nuances or theyre rarely played because theyre difficult to use and difficult to pick up without a better payout. Like why choose vayne over kai'sa? Or Aatrox over Riven? Vayne and riven are simply far easier to use and master than their analogues while having much better stats and earlier power spikes.

youthereApr 3, 20192 votes

Ryze has been reworked so many times and every time he just gets worse and worse, like I don't even recognize him at this point.

Urgot's rework seems pretty good.

Sions is just... Well, I used to main Sion mid back in the day. Then he got reworked. I like his rework, don't get me wrong, but he just seems like an entirely new champ. Which begs the question, why didn't they just make a new champ.