Please reduce the number of devourer stacks Dragon gives to 3

Scarborough Fair·Sep 10, 2015·80 votes·2,522 views

So it can actually be a late game item

44 Comments

Reaper ReviewSep 10, 201513 votes

2 + 1 for each stack of the Dragon buff your team has.

So the first dragon would grant 3 stacks, the second 4, and so on.

Shroom JunkieSep 10, 20151 votes

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2 + 1 for each stack of the Dragon buff your team has.

So the first dragon would grant 3 stacks, the second 4, and so on.

Do you mean the first would give you 3 stacks, then the second would add one stack, two, etc. or like first 3 then 4 and 5, etc.?

Reaper ReviewSep 10, 20151 votes

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Do you mean the first would give you 3 stacks, then the second would add one stack, two, etc. or like first 3 then 4 and 5, etc.?

The latter. 2 + (# of Dragons your team has killed so far)

OyddAWqJ5rSep 11, 20152 votes

Well, two dragons is the max amount of time it should take to get sated. If you really aren't sated by then what the heck were you doing the past 20 minutes

The EcdysiastSep 11, 20151 votes

Um... No.

2 dragons would be about 10 minutes in for some champs.

20 minutes in is NOT late game, that's not even mid-game if the game's going slowly.

OyddAWqJ5rSep 11, 20152 votes

If the devourer's situation is that great and uninhibited that him and his team can take both drags in 10 minutes then by all means he deserves the early sate.

The EcdysiastSep 11, 20151 votes

No he doesn't. It's a late-game item, so it should not be allowed to be had that early. Why don't we just give him a full 40% cdr while we're at it?

Also, by that time the jungler will have bought bork if they're buying sated. Getting two full items' worth of value from one item's worth of work is okay?

foinhasSep 12, 20151 votes

If i buy archangel and RoA, why am i recieving bonus ap from RoA? And what about rab? Items shouldn't synergy with other items, right?

foinhasSep 11, 20152 votes

soooo, if the enemy is getting kills, jungling 24/7 and getting dragons, they don't deserve to do stuff, right?

The EcdysiastSep 11, 20151 votes

They can BUY OTHER ITEMS.

They shouldn't ALSO get an item that early that is impossible to buy against.

Morgan SlavemanSep 11, 20151 votes

Well Devourer is a broken item right now, not much to say about it besides the fact that your jungler can get it too.

The EcdysiastSep 12, 20152 votes

Sated Maokai LeeSin JarvanIV Sejuani Zac work now? Woah.

Morgan SlavemanSep 12, 20151 votes

There are top picks in every patch and those champions aren't too viable right now. While I'm not saying that everyone should play meta champs, if your team has one of these, you generally know what to expect.

foinhasSep 12, 20151 votes

devourer alone can't do squat. It needs other items to be relevant (botr, or hurri/ap on kayle). A jungler CAN'T get those items early without being fed, which, in this case, it's your fault.

Only Play DariusSep 10, 201513 votes

lol if the enemy jungler is farming instead of ganking and you're not the one taking control of dragon then you're the one who screwed up.

AuryielSep 10, 20153 votes

If you think Devourer is a farming item you're the one who screwed up

Only Play DariusSep 10, 201511 votes

It is....

AuryielSep 10, 20151 votes

It's not the old Feral Flare, Devourer encourages you to take control of scuttle crab and rewards you heavily for taking objectives. If you just sit in your jungle and farm you're doing it wrong no matter who you play and what jungle item you have

Only Play DariusSep 10, 20153 votes

If Yi tries to contest the scuttle crab before he gets his second damag item he dies 1v1 to enemy jungler best case scenario, his early game is just awful. As such he should be rewarded heavily for finding a way to successfully take early game objectives.

Sozan5Sep 10, 20152 votes

Actually, his DPS is just as good (if not better) then it would be with Warrior enchant. This is also true for other champions that have built-in on-hit effect.

And yes, I am talking about Devourer with 0 stacks.

I even did some calculations about this back in the day, gimme a sec... Oh, there it is:

Devourer Yi (numbers in brackets account for his passive) Physical DPS: 106 (119,3) Magic DPS: 36 (45) True DPS: 40 (50) Total DPS after mitigation: 141,37 (167,2) Ult active: 165,3 (195,6) Q damage (after mitigation): 81 - Rank 1

Warrior Yi (numbers in brackets account for his passive) Physical DPS: 113 (127) True DPS: 34 (42,5) - Rank 3 / 20 (25) - Rank 1 Total DPS after mitigation: 120,7 (139,25) - Rank 3 / 106,42 (121,44) - Rank 1 Ult active: 149,2 (172,16) - Rank 3 / 131,6 (150,15) - Rank 1 Q damage (after mitigation): 120 - Rank 1 / 174 - Rank 3

All calculations are for Level 6 Yi against a target with 40 armor and 42 magic resist - for Warrior Yi there are two possible skill maxing (either Q or E).

Of course, this is all situational and should be taken with a grain of salt, but the point is - Devourer isn't as bad item as most players think, especially on champions that scale very well with Attack Speed.

XeynidSep 11, 20151 votes

Yes, Devourer Yi isn't much worse than Warrior Yi, but both are way worse than pretty much any other jungler when it comes to DPS/Health at that point in the game.

PunkkeeSep 11, 20151 votes

Devourer Yi isn't much worse than Warrior Yi

what?!?!?!?!?!??!?! i really hope you're joking

Sozan5Sep 11, 20152 votes

I think you missed the point.

The whole thing was comparing Devourer with 0 stacks to Warrior (both at the moment you buy it) to show that Devourer isn't any worse than Warrior, even at that point.

PaeroSep 11, 20151 votes

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I think you missed the point.

The whole thing was comparing Devourer with 0 stacks to Warrior (both at the moment you buy it) to show that Devourer isn't any worse than Warrior, even at that point.

its when it becomes sated thats the problem

PunkkeeSep 11, 20151 votes

why are you comparing damage between a lategame item and a midgame item

Sozan5Sep 11, 20153 votes

How is devourer with 0 stack a lategame item? I just wanted to show that Devourer at the point you buy it, isn't as weak as most players believe (hell, it's not weak at all if you have an On-hit effect built in your kit).

JefftiffySep 12, 20151 votes

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lol if the enemy jungler is farming instead of ganking and you're not the one taking control of dragon then you're the one who screwed up.

So say the enemy jungler runs in and smite steals it and dies. That's 5 stacks. 1/6 of late game for a jungler. Kind of broken don't you think?

Phoenix Kotori Sep 10, 20156 votes

It doesn't infinitely stack it isn't meant to be a late game item, the whole idea was to give on-hit junglers a meaningful powerspike rather than old infinite scaling.

SquidblimpSep 10, 20153 votes

It really is a late-game item though, since it makes every on-hit in a champion's kit so much stronger, in addition to making every on-hit item that is bought give a MUCH larger power spike that it usually would.

redniwediSSep 10, 20153 votes

I'd rather see it's strength nerfed so it's a proper mid game item than have the stacks slowed for late game, that way it's still viable on people who are not incredibly fast clearers.

dangopeeSep 10, 20152 votes

I just hate how getting dragon is so dependent on your bot lane not getting completely rolled.

ImSoFullSep 11, 20151 votes

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I just hate how getting dragon is so dependent on your bot lane not getting completely rolled.

Meh, it just depends on vision. most junglers can solo drag easily.

ks916Sep 10, 20152 votes

I'd if you have been on pbe but devour got some pretty decent sized nerfs.

Nerfs: Enchantment: Devourer Damage on hit per stack lowered to .67 from 1 Enchantment: Sated Devourer Magic damage on hit lowered to 50 from 60.

ManwalrusSep 11, 20152 votes

That won't really make it a late game item, It also makes grouping with the team for objectives less desirable and lead to a more unhealthy item, encouraging players to afk farm in the jungle until it's fully stacked, sort of like feral flare.

weeaboomerSep 11, 20151 votes

Don't forget to nerf clear speeds. Udyr Shyvana , completing it at the 13 minute mark.

Cloud PotatoSep 11, 20151 votes

Are you complaining that the reward for winning a contested objective with the weakest Jungle item is too high?

PunkkeeSep 11, 20151 votes

devourer IS lategame item. it just happens to be a midgame item too

PiVoRxSep 11, 20151 votes

In general I dislike the idea of gathering SD stacks from netural monsters, you should still get 2 stacks for kills and assits on champions.

The EcdysiastSep 11, 20151 votes

Udyr Getting sated at 14 minutes is a bit bullshit.

magic poleSep 11, 20151 votes

fucking dragon!!

i h ad this devourer vi on me team solo dragon as we were ganked and killed bot lane, mere footsteps away. she got dragon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but they were fed now so we lost.

DropFillSep 11, 20151 votes

Also the river crab should only give 1 stack

SalronSep 11, 20151 votes

Devourer is a mid-game item, not lategame You really should have the thing finished by the 20 minute mark with proper farming

I GANK LANESSep 11, 20151 votes

or dumpster the current devourer and rework it. champs shouldn't be rewarded for farming the jungle, i hate all aa reliant champs, especially aa reliant junglers.

S2C2Xd9KOySep 12, 20151 votes

Tbh thats a maximum of 4 stacks that the jungler would be missing out on so I dont think the difference is huge. If you're really good at Jungling you can have sated at like 14 minutes.