What he did was so absurd and even if he the points he mentioned in his video were valid he has absolutely no right to be so toxic even at a troll. All the "but he was trolling so he deserves it!" arguments are stupid, what he deserves is a punishment from riot not from a player. People relate to him so much that they forget ethics exist, and it's not like it was something out of the blue for him, he has bullied other players before.
D Bag55 votesBecause saying "GG Easy" is bannable but telling someone that they "should be gunned down in the street" is ok. League of Legends forum 2015.
Sincerely, http://www.auplod.com/u/auopld60eff.png
aaIam3 votesbecause it is a video game and you are anonymous. + ur lvl 19 why are you talking?
RainofBlackTears30 votesbecause it is a video game and you are anonymous. + ur lvl 19 why are you talking?
Wait... how does this even make sense? Just "cause it is a video game" shouldn't warrant a death wish upon another person no matter what.. and the point of his comment was supposed to point out the fact that dunky should be banned for what he did, and those that defend him have no reason to, as people get punished for less severe infractions..
Also how does level even play into this... this is common sense... a death threat and a statement of arrogance... if the statement is ban worthy than...
LaceUp235 votesMeh, I doubt too many people would be upset if the trollo fell of the face of the earth.
Slaaneshine10 votesI wouldn't mind too much if anyone who used the language dunkey used fell off the Earth either. No one should ever use those words. No one would ever use them in real conversation.
ninjaIRL 14 votesBecause how skilled you are in the game automatically gives you authority in everything about the game.
It's this worshipping mentality that people like Dunkey and his fanbase play into. "I've been supporting your game for over 4 years!" - Dunkey Well guess what, you wouldn't have any videos if League of Legends didn't exist before so be grateful.
People are amused by Dunkey's videos so they automatically demean others who don't follow the same bandwagon or disrespect Dunkey's video game practices.
Half of his videos and the content he has in them is just him raging IMO. Although it might be jokingly done the things he does in his games are so disrespectful and toxic that it undervalues the efforts put in by players and Riot to lessen the toxicity of League of Legends as a whole.
It's like Justin Bieber and what was his fanbase of Beliebers. They're all mindless idiots.
Malix Farwin5 votes[{quoted}](name=D Bag,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=UHm5pqfF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-09-13T00:58:48.267+0000)
Because saying "GG Easy" is bannable but telling someone that they "should be gunned down in the street" is ok. League of Legends forum 2015.
Sincerely, http://www.auplod.com/u/auopld60eff.png
They are both bannable.
Zedex7 votesJust a bunch of kids who don't understand the situation at all who are crying on these boards that someone got banned for toxicity in chat.
"Oh but he was getting trolled!"
Ever hear of the god damn mute button, or maybe getting a thicker skin? OH NO YOU LOST A PROMO, ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!
Devack The Holy26 votesLet's face it. Dunkey said a comment that would have gotten him ARRESTED in most states if he said that to the other person face-to-face. I should know. I got fired for saying something similar at work, and the only reason I wasn't arrested was that the other person didn't want to file charges.
He claims to promote the game, and yet, it seems that the only thing's he promoting is toxic behavior. Some kid is probably trash-talking in a game right now, and in the back of his mind he's thinking "lol, i m dunkey". And expecting a brief unbanning because he thought Riot owed him a favor for "promoting" the game? So that he can finish a video where he trash-talks more players? Honestly? That to me screams LeBron James-level ego there.
If Riot unbanned Dunkey, that would go against the principle of the rules. And that is that they apply evenly to everyone. Being a Pro player or a popular YouTuber shouldn't make you exempt from the punishments if you break the rules. And let's face it, we've seen several Pro players get PERMABANS for toxic or unsportsmanlike behavior. If you, me, Dunkey, Dyrus, Phant0mL0rd (sorry if I got his name wrong.), or anyone else says something like that with a HISTORY of toxic behavior, the punishment should still be the same.
Was the Malphite in the wrong? Yes. Did he get banned? No. Did he have a HISTORY of intentional feeding? Possibly. See, that's how Riot's system works. If it's one, ISOLATED, incident, they'll usually write it off as a bad game. Even a few incidents in one day wouldn't trip anything, except maybe a warning, a little "hey, you're getting a little heated there, calm down, okay?". But if you do it over an EXTENDED period, and I'm talking weeks to YEARS, then Riot will look at the evidence and say "Okay, yeah, he's toxic" and hit the ban button. Honestly, Dunkey should have taken his two-week ban, and calmed down. Maybe looked at it and said: "Okay, maybe this was the wrong thing to say, and I should work on that.", put the video work on pause and played something else in the meantime. But no. He instead fired off an email that more or less said "Hey, I'm a famous Youtuber and I need to finish a video, can I have an unban, please?" And when Riot rightly said "no", Dunkey lost his shit, insulted Riot, the game, and the community, and ragequit League. Doesn't that seem a little childish? And the fact that people are defending him boggles me.
Dunkey has a history going back years of being insulting to players ingame. And with Riot tightening their methods of finding toxic players in an effort to improve the community, which most players have been complaining about for about as long as the old forums and the new boards have existed, it was only a matter of time before it got him. For all of Season 5, Dunkey has been playing Russian Roulette with the new systems with this kind of behavior, and this time, he got the chamber with the bullet in it.
Shouldn't have pulled the trigger, Dunkey. Now, there's a big mess for you to clean up.
BuzzinTate4 votesa little too long for me to read all of it (heading into ranked que) But I'd like to give my opinion.
People are easily offended. Being offended is partially your fault. Actually it's up to you to decide what you're offended by, so in a way it's entirely your fault.
I'm not defending dunkey, but I do believe we as a society are splitting. A group of polite mannered, and a group of half and a group of people that love to be rude.
Guy Fox Teemo7 votesDunkey's lucky he didn't get arrested , telling people death threats, is NOT ok.
BuzzinTate2 votesYeah of course death threats aren't okay. I'm saying you'd be surprised at how many people are easily offended.
Guy Fox Teemo9 votesEasily offended is someone saying you suck, and going on a rant about how toxic they are. What dunkey says is horrible in most of his games, even if this is the internet , it doesn't warrant you a permission slip to be an asshole to someone. People like dunkey are the reason the internet is run by trolls, and the reason hundreds of kids commit suicide in school every year. Because people are inconsiderate assholes, who don't give one shit about how someone else feels, and wouldn't give one fuck if they died.
blacknerdtaku3 votesPersonally i find a lot of this BS. yes he should be punished for his actual (in-game) toxic behaviour, but when shit talking in a Post recorded video or via Skype call (with friends) then I see no problem with it. Every youtuber who's done skype calls have done it... and not to be toxic but because they're friends. When i play skype calls with friends They do it to me and likewise.
Sure he took it too far here, and i cant vouch for all the offscreen times he's cursed somebody out. but what i do know what he promotes isnt "tocity" what he promotes is League...
you want a LoL streamer who does promote toxicity? Kaceytron.
Xonra6 votesPersonally i find a lot of this BS. yes he should be punished for his actual (in-game) toxic behaviour, but when shit talking in a Post recorded video or via Skype call (with friends) then I see no problem with it. Every youtuber who's done skype calls have done it... and not to be toxic but because they're friends. When i play skype calls with friends They do it to me and likewise.
Sure he took it too far here, and i cant vouch for all the offscreen times he's cursed somebody out. but what i do know what he promotes isnt "tocity" what he promotes is League...
you want a LoL streamer who does promote toxicity? Kaceytron.
I'll take Kaceytron over Dunkey every day (and I can't stand her).
Kaceytron just puts on an act and says stupid stuff verbally, and does play derpy. It annoys me, but it isn't toxic, just really really stupid.
Dunkey acts like an a-hole to be funny, and the difference is, it isn't just an "online persona". He is an a-hole, and he further proved that in his "Riot should have given me special treatment, so I hate you Riot" video, which came off like some girl pouting that she got dumped and "yeah well, I never liked you anyways" speech.
NiteStrykr17 votesDid anyone else see that his account was banned until 9/17/2015? That's this Thursday. What are we arguing about? He wasn't perma-banned.
Catastrop10 votesThat's the player base for ya.
Dulce Dama8 votesI watch some of Dunkeys videos but i have to agree he should be punish (i'm assuming the reason why his been banned for such a long time is that he had similar reports/punishments). I think what some of the people that are arguing about it is about the malphite issue not necessarily he deserves it but i think a lot of people are concerned if malphite will get his "due" as well.
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Scarborough Fair22 votesHilarious. So you're saying its okay to be an asshole because people need to have thick skins anyway. People like you are the reason riot is so strict about banning verbally abusive players.
J Epstein1 votesYes, i am saying its okay to be an asshole. Thats how the real world works. People are assholes. They say mean things. Be an adult and get over it. People like you is why this country is becoming so soft and emotionally weak.
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J Epstein2 votesDidn't say you lived in the U.S., i said pussies like you are why this country( the u.s.) is growing weak. Reading comprehension 101. Regardless, it's not irrational to think that somebody on the North American boards is from north america.
Catastrop21 votesIf he doesn't live in the U.S, how is he the cause for your country becoming soft and emotional weak?
J Epstein2 voteshe isn't directly responsible.....people...like him... who share similar qualities with him... who currently reside... in my country... are ruining... this country...
sorry that words and their meanings are hard to understand...
BetaDude4025 votesYou're ruining this country faster than them. Just because you're American doesn't give you the rights to be an asshole any time you wish.
Smitty Manjensen9 votes[{quoted}](name=xXBlue FalconXx,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=UHm5pqfF,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-13T01:16:32.521+0000)
Didn't say you lived in the U.S., i said pussies like you are why this country( the u.s.) is growing weak. Reading comprehension 101. Regardless, it's not irrational to think that somebody on the North American boards is from north america.
In real life if someone said to me I should die well I am gonna fuck him up, riot is doing the same to that guy just differently according to their rules.
J Epstein2 votesyou wouldn't do shit. if somebody randomly says " you're a (insert offensive remark)" , you wouldn't just "fuck them up". if you battered anybody who offended you, you either never leave your house, or you're you have been in jail multiple times.
In real life you ignore people and be the bigger person.
FluxBound4 votesIs that why you're replying to every reply you get in this thread? Is that how you "ignore?"
J Epstein2 votesconversation doesn't equal to "i am gonna fuck him up". critical thinking skills op.
ninjaIRL 9 votesIn response to your general ideology. People don't just go around the real world saying, "I hope you die, and you, hey pussy-bitch cut, you too. Oi! Get hit by a train! ... %%%got over there! You need to get shot 13 times. I hope your mum gets raped and your whole family dies right in front of your eyes." All these things I have seen people type into the chat box in League of Legends. The latter has been said to me in chat once.
What people say in the internet is in no way comparable to the behaviours of people in the real world. I'm tired of people arguing: #"b!uT! iT!Ss liek tah erael WUR!DL!". No it isn't. People think about what they say in the real world because it impacts their lives. In League, it doesn't. Somehow the level of care, empathy and sympathy automatically lowers just because the person you're insulting isn't in front of your face. You actually have life threatening consequences in the real world, people can hurt you. For some reason it's all out the door once you enter the virtual world.
Do you know what words and thoughts that I autonomously think of and have to get out of my head in order to think in rational terms of people who think this way? Shallow, psychopaths, sociopaths, 10 years olds, Donald Trump supporters, sheep.
Ralanr1 votesHow has having a thick skin helped?
Sometimes you don't give a fuck. That's a good life lesson.
Sometimes people are surrounded by it. The thicker the skin, the worse the explosion. Just look at every cop who has gone ballistic on their job. We have good men and women on the force and they are constantly harassed by the mistakes of a few. All that pressure and hatred on people who only want to do their job, all because they wear a badge.
People don't need to be taught about thick skin. They need to find a way to deal with it rather than ignore it.
It might make less timebombs.
J Epstein2 votesIt's helped me tremendously. Maybe myself being in the military has desensitized me, so i guess its not fair for me to expect some of you guys to understand. So my bad on that. Go join the armed forces and try being sensitive, you will be eaten alive. These curse words are common place int he military. If you are a piece of shit, then you will be called out for being a piece of shit. But as long as you know you are int he right, who cares what some loser has to say about you?
Thick skin just means being resilient, being able to bounce back and not cracking at the slightest amount of pressure.
Listen, I'm not saying what dunkey said was justified or right. People just see he said some bad things and completely ignore the points he made. Him saying some bad stuff to malphite, who was deliberately trying to piss people off for the fun of it,had little to no impact yet dunkey got banned. and by experience the malphite wouldn't even be considered for any type of warning or ban. It's funny people say, "you can't just run around and harrass people in public! you'd get ur ass kicked! derp!", ok you also can't run around in public and be a jackass by wasting people's time and not expect people to get mad, just watch videos of when pranks go wrong.
oh well, that's just like my opinion or whatever.
Ralanr2 votesThank you for explaining. Knowing the large gap in life experiences makes it easier to understand.
I apologize. I still believe that a thicker skin isn't the solution to this or most other things, but sadly there is no one solution.
J Epstein2 votesNo problem, thank you for the the constructive conversation and trying to see things from my perspective, instead of making wild remarks and accusations.
You don't need to apologize. you are entitled to your opinion with being attacked.
D Bag10 votes[{quoted}](name=xXBlue FalconXx,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=UHm5pqfF,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-13T01:05:14.075+0000)
Yes, i am saying its okay to be an asshole. Thats how the real world works. People are assholes. They say mean things. Be an adult and get over it. People like you is why this country is becoming so soft and emotionally weak.
Because in real world you will get your ass kick for being a dick and in game we have a "report" button for that.
J Epstein1 votesSo you physically kick every body's ass that is an asshole to you? lol ok.
D Bag17 votes[{quoted}](name=xXBlue FalconXx,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=UHm5pqfF,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2015-09-13T01:18:38.708+0000)
So you physically kick every body's ass that is an asshole to you? lol ok.
Imply that you can just walk around and being an asshole to everyone in real life and get away with it...lol ok.
Phuc Dat Bich3 votesHilarious. So you're saying its okay to be an asshole because people need to have thick skins anyway. People like you are the reason riot is so strict about banning verbally abusive players.
the problem is that this malphite wouldnt get banned but someone who is a bit toxic would!!
THAT THE POINT dunkey was saying that right now you can destroy games you can ruin games you can troll the gameplay and you dont get banned
But if you are a bit toxic TO THE PERSON who troll you get 14 days banned
THAT THE PROBLEM ok? that why more and more people realize how much joke the system is!
When i can go build lich bane riven and say in chat "i am doing something outside meta is not reportable" just to make the auto ban system think that i am not "trolling" and then go 0/20 and say "omg such a bad game" i can do that for 1000 games in the row and still not get banned
But if i say "omg gtfo from here you pathetic noob riven youdestroy games" i will get 14 days ban from the auto system
DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM?
Guy Fox Teemo6 votesMalphite problem only trolled that ONE game, Dunkey is known for being a Toxic asshole for a LONG time. Riot doesn't ban you on a first offense.
Phuc Dat Bich2 votesMalphite problem only trolled that ONE game, Dunkey is known for being a Toxic asshole for a LONG time. Riot doesn't ban you on a first offense.
so according to your brain its ok to troll a game but if you are toxic is bad? ok man
Pls lets go a game i will destroy your game and if you dare to say something mean to me you will get banned but you will be ok with that because hey man i just troll one game what the problem...
Are you serious? plus you say "omg dunkey is toxic" but then you call him an asshole....ahhh the fake kids you are a hateful person who troll games and probably many players have cursed you that why you say what you say! if you were a legit good player you will know how much bad a troll feeder is on a game
SmokedAlmonds5 votes[{quoted}](name=Vârg Vikernes,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=UHm5pqfF,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-13T08:34:25.741+0000)
so according to your brain its ok to troll a game but if you are toxic is bad? ok man
Pls lets go a game i will destroy your game and if you dare to say something mean to me you will get banned but you will be ok with that because hey man i just troll one game what the problem...
Are you serious? plus you say "omg dunkey is toxic" but then you call him an asshole....ahhh the fake kids you are a hateful person who troll games and probably many players have cursed you that why you say what you say! if you were a legit good player you will know how much bad a troll feeder is on a game
No one thinks its ok. But there is a huge difference between an isolated incident and someone who does it repeatedly.
Phuc Dat Bich1 votesNo one thinks its ok. But there is a huge difference between an isolated incident and someone who does it repeatedly.
according to lyte and the behavior systme you should never troll or being toxic!!
But now we justify the trolling? because it only happen "once"
you such a hypocrite
SmokedAlmonds6 votes[{quoted}](name=Vârg Vikernes,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=UHm5pqfF,comment-id=0001000000010000000000010000,timestamp=2015-09-13T08:54:30.095+0000)
according to lyte and the behavior systme you should never troll or being toxic!!
But now we justify the trolling? because it only happen "once"
you such a hypocrite
Its not justified under any circumstances. A punishment for something that someone isn't going to do again anyway doesn't really accomplish anything. On the other hand if he does it all the time then its a lot bigger deal.
Punishments are almost never for single incidents, dunkeys wasn't.
Twiggles10 votesWhat is 'more detrimental' is irrelevant. Both of those are unacceptable behaviors and deserve punishment. Dunkey is being punished because he violated the Summoner's Code. Period.
DrCyanide7 votesBoth are punished according to quantity.
How many games did Malphite intentionally feed? Because Dunkey acts like that in every single game he plays.
Spizzle90002 votes[{quoted}](name=xXBlue FalconXx,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=UHm5pqfF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-09-13T00:57:04.043+0000)
Bullied? this is what he points out. As he said in the video "What is this, pussy-ass-baby-prechool time?" League has been overrun with the emotionally weak. As far as toxicity is concerned, him being "verbally toxic/abusive" is much less detrimental to the game then somebody who avoids being banned by simply not typing a word even thought they purposefully just ran down lane or didn't try to even win.
Agreed. I do understand that they don't want people to be having a terrible time, but people need to get some thicker skin. 
Telling people to die is bad, but, it's on the internet. Just mute the person and be done with it. Plus, if you're feeding, you have no right to be complaining about flaming. That's like saying if you kill someone, it's a terrible crime for someone to rob you.
Don't tell people to kill yourself, but Malphite should've been banned too.
DeynaTaggerung4 votesbut, it's on the internet..
Oh, so everything is ok there. O.o the internet is not some magical place where everything changes, it's not an actual place, you're(hypothetical you, I'm not calling you out) still sitting in a real chair in a real world being a dick.
Spizzle90001 votesOh, so everything is ok there. O.o the internet is not some magical place where everything changes, it's not an actual place, you're(hypothetical you, I'm not calling you out) still sitting in a real chair in a real world being a dick.
Nope. No it isn't. But I'm saying that people over-react. It doesn't take much to tell someone to die on the internet. It isn't from the heart. If someone freaks out over being told to die while on the internet, well, that's what happens here. It's not right. It's not good. It still happens.
The fact is, I find it astonishing that people are surprised that this kind of stuff happens. It's the internet. It's likely whoever is telling you to go die or to kill yourself is some loser with no friends who thinks he's cool cause he can trash-talk through a screen. People don't seem to get it.
Those who talk trash are often the metaphorical pieces of shit on the metaphorical lawn of humanity. Just remember than the next time someone talks shit to you. It's not a big deal. They're losers who are taking their anger at sucking at life out on a random person on the internet. Remember that and laugh.
DeynaTaggerung2 votesYou're right, mentally everyone would agree with you. However emotions don't generally work the way we'd like them to, and being trash talked produces an emotional response that can be hard to control. Even mitigated by the knowledge it's "Just some loser" there's feeling of sadness and frustration, especially on days when your control of those emotions is already frayed and you just want to sit down and relax with some league.
So while it's not the end of the world, it's still something worth working to prevent because I'd love it if League could be a place people can come to and enjoy not just a game but a community. (And seriously we're not that far off, I see a lot more positive/neutral players than I do negative)
