I miss the days of Visual updates for the sake of Visual updates

Scarborough Fair·May 21, 2016·110 votes·4,741 views

Not because of a rework or how commercial the champion is. Why don't you guys do visual updates that aren't linked to gameplay changes anymore?

67 Comments

Malicious MetalMay 21, 201633 votes

Yeah, there are some champs that would really benefit from VU's while having solid kits :/

RoodToobMay 21, 20168 votes

Not even necessarily the kits, but someone like Udyr badly needs one, even with a somewhat outdated kit, but he's too popular and he has an ultimate skin, which should have been his VU

Faceroll TacticsMay 21, 201613 votes

Lol the ultimate skin curse is the reason why ezreal looks like a 12 year old who died his hair to look like a banana peel, and Sona's hair has super awkward physics (base skins that is)

Blood MagicksMay 21, 20166 votes

I believe I speak for EVERY woman out there when I say please soon VU for Vladimir .

There's much disagreement on whether his kit is good but it's definitely not as dated as his model and design - too generic, give him the GP treatment.

Sahn UzalMay 22, 20164 votes

give him the GP treatment. -A great model -Dank sadistic quotes instead of puns -Amazing disrepect option with each of his emotes

Is it worth losing ''B-negative, you'll be just my type'' for tho? :^)

Blood MagicksMay 22, 20164 votes

instead of puns

but why not both

Sahn UzalMay 22, 20164 votes

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/33500000/-That-s-Impossible-the-tenth-doctor-33568181-245-150.jpg

Angelofchaos16xMay 21, 201617 votes

Amen. I mean , I kinda get why Riot is doing this, due to the fact that if they spend all their resources on random champions that need a Vu but not a Rework, the champions that need both are going to have to wait even longer. Right now, Yorick Swain Evelynn Galio Urgot Warwick Ryze and Akali have all been stated that they need both a visual and a gameplay update. Now, if the teams that work on the VU also have to work with Cassiopeia Zyra Corki Chogath Pantheon Irelia Skarner and Zilean then it would take about double the amount of time, so I get it that this way the line of the Full VGU champions goes a lot faster. This year we already have Taric, and are still going to receive Yorick, Ryze and Warwick , so just in one Year , 3 massive offenders are going to be taken care of. I just hope that once the massive offenders are taken care of , Riot goes back to giving champs VU´s for the sake of VU´s

ModWulf HelhammerMay 21, 20166 votes

Pantheon is one of the ones that needs a gameplay update as well

Angelofchaos16xMay 21, 20169 votes

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Pantheon is one of the ones that needs a gameplay update as well

A rioter put Pantheon and Irelia in the same boat. He said that both could use a VU right now, but they are at lest decent gameplay wise, so Riot is waiting for them to become massive offenders and then just add them to the full VGU boat. I know, it really sucks to have to wait for a champ to become a joke to receive a VU and GU, but It´s what we have for 2day

Warlord DienekesMay 21, 20166 votes

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A rioter put Pantheon and Irelia in the same boat. He said that both could use a VU right now, but they are at lest decent gameplay wise, so Riot is waiting for them to become massive offenders and then just add them to the full VGU boat. I know, it really sucks to have to wait for a champ to become a joke to receive a VU and GU, but It´s what we have for 2day

Considering I really enjoy Panths gameplay and worry when they give him a VU he'll look more like the space parasite Demi-God and not the Spartan I'm perfectly happy with Riot taking their time. I can live with pizza feet and an octogonal shield.

Agent CorgiMay 21, 20165 votes

I actually think Pantheon is fine the way he is Gameplay wise. Unless they change itemization to the point nothing works on him or they decide to "Mordekaiser" him, then all he really needs is visual touch ups.

*Morderkaising - Reworking a Champion kit in an attempt to completely change how he's supposed to be played, but the concept falls short. (Making Mordekaiser a Botlane AD Carry/Juggernaut from a Tanky Mage).

GarentheonMay 22, 20161 votes

that "spartan" trope is old and very unoriginal. I'm ready for the amazing artists and art styles to show what he can really become without the outdated trope holding him back

ImmortalBloodCYMay 22, 20163 votes

As a Greek who knows his History i will tell you this.

The 300 movie and the rest did not truly explain Spartans or Portrait Spartans correctly. Altought the 300 Movie portraited the battle of Thermopylae good enough.

Warlord DienekesMay 22, 20161 votes

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As a Greek who knows his History i will tell you this.

The 300 movie and the rest did not truly explain Spartans or Portrait Spartans correctly. Altought the 300 Movie portraited the battle of Thermopylae good enough.

Eh I'd question if it even really portrayed the battle well. The Immortal mutants? The Spartans fighting in loose formation? Ephialtes the hunchback? The only tactic that I think they got right was the Spartans fighting in front of the wall.

I still enjoy the movie. I just hate that it basically spelled the doom of the far more accurate (and interesting) The Gates of Fire movie that was in the works.

ImmortalBloodCYMay 22, 20162 votes

I only said good enough :P

But yes i agree with you on the movie "The Gates of Fire" it looked very interesting one.

GarentheonMay 24, 20161 votes

I know the movie was based on the graphic novel which took liberties on the look

ImmortalBloodCYMay 22, 20161 votes

Massive offender = Satan Teemo

Blue Moon WolfMay 21, 20164 votes

My hope is that they cut back on new champs for the next 2 years to get the heavy offenders out of the way. So by 2018-2019, a champ like my main who looks more or less decent and really isn't having issues kit wise (other than the fact it's old and only has one passive) can get an update. It's a lot to hope for considering how many champs still need an update before him, but I'd rather him not end up like Urgot , not being touched for years, then becoming a troll pick and still having to wait another 2 years before anything is done with him.

Guy Fox TeemoMay 22, 20162 votes

THat doesn't solve anything a champion = different from update team.

iltMay 21, 20168 votes

I miss the old Royal Guard Fiora

HigeMay 21, 20168 votes

it's more beneficial to work hollistically, plus visual updates often times feel really bad since there's no VO lines added, it's not about being commercial, it's about workload and resources management

kitcat300May 21, 20162 votes

Not always. Twitch, Karthus, Heimerdinger, Twisted Fate, and Soraka (at first) were just purely visual, and they all got new lines.

Scarborough FairMay 21, 20162 votes

Back then Visual updates had new VO, champion spotlight, and lore. I'm talking Nidalee/TF/Soraka/Annie days.

MasqureManMay 22, 20161 votes

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Back then Visual updates had new VO, champion spotlight, and lore. I'm talking Nidalee/TF/Soraka/Annie days.

None of those champs have new vo

AbyssionKnightMay 22, 20167 votes

Resource efficiency.

Why do a rework that's purely visual, if there's a potential in a year or two of a total rework?

It's like upgrading your computer every time a new piece of hardware comes out.

You can do that to keep your computer state of the art, but it's a waste of money and your time to constantly change components. What makes more sense is to wait until you have multiple changes to make, do them all at once, and leave yourself without a need to make such changes for as long as possible.

JayHog1992May 21, 20166 votes

Still hoping that Teemo gets a VU, my friend doesn't like playing his classic skin because he "looks like a fat potato."

And for a 20 and so year old yordle, whose splash art makes him look like he's in top shape, doesn't seem right as well.

stealthfox94May 21, 20164 votes

yeah champs like Jax Olaf and Udyr come to mind. All need VU's but not reworks.

Faceroll TacticsMay 21, 20167 votes

Except Olaf and Udyr need reworks.

Olaf might get one eventually, and his kit is so stale and old, all of his abilities have a singular effect outside of his ultimate, and when you look at someone like poppy, you get "ranged attack that can also be a shield but only if you grab it, it also deals magic damage and has a static cooldown!" Jax might fall into this category too, but he isn't so bad of an offender.

And udyr has the Ultimate Skin Curse meaning that he will never get a VU and will never get a major update no matter how he is. At the moment he can abuse almost any item that is strong, guinsoo's in preseason and runic echoes are two items for two different types of champions, yet he abused them both, but he will never get a rework because he has that awesome $25 visual update.

stealthfox94May 21, 20167 votes

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Except Olaf and Udyr need reworks.

Olaf might get one eventually, and his kit is so stale and old, all of his abilities have a singular effect outside of his ultimate, and when you look at someone like poppy, you get "ranged attack that can also be a shield but only if you grab it, it also deals magic damage and has a static cooldown!" Jax might fall into this category too, but he isn't so bad of an offender.

And udyr has the Ultimate Skin Curse meaning that he will never get a VU and will never get a major update no matter how he is. At the moment he can abuse almost any item that is strong, guinsoo's in preseason and runic echoes are two items for two different types of champions, yet he abused them both, but he will never get a rework because he has that awesome $25 visual update.

I feel like Udyr's a tough champion to rework though. I imagine whatever they do Trick2g will hate it.

TzQGRUST39May 22, 20162 votes

I dont think udyr needs a rework. He's like Singed in the way that the reason he needs a rework is the same thing that gives him his identity. They are incredibly flawed, but that is what we love them for.

Spacesuit SpiffMay 22, 20162 votes

They were doing it last year to get ready for the updated SR, since they wanted the artstyle to be cohesive. I guess theres no pressure to do it anymore.

RasCaelestisMay 22, 20161 votes

Those were just texture updates. They did help make things look better on the new map color-wise, a lot of the older champions still have really low-quality models. Compare Cho'Gath and Rek'Sai, for instance. Both are huge Void creatures, but Rek looks way more detailed and realistic. Well, as realistic as a giant burrowing monster from another dimension can get.

Darlantan12May 22, 20162 votes

Chogath item 3070

Lydia in DoorwayMay 22, 20162 votes

IMO Garen needs help...his head size bugs me

Nidalee could use some updated splash art for her skins

Morgana moves strangely in game. The dress and hair seem very rigid

and THANK YOU for Taric He needed it so bad. (only talking about art here)

GreenLoreMay 22, 20164 votes

I think Garens head size could be adjusted without giving him a second full VU.

Nidalee is the next champ to get new skin splashes(unless ryze gets his VGU before that)

And yeah Morgana could need a VU.

Warlord DienekesMay 22, 20161 votes

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I think Garens head size could be adjusted without giving him a second full VU.

Nidalee is the next champ to get new skin splashes(unless ryze gets his VGU before that)

And yeah Morgana could need a VU.

Eh, his head may be slightly small. But it seems worse because of how ridiculous his pauldrons are. They're idiotic, if someone would wear that they'd crush their spine and destroy their ability to move their arms. And more importantly for a game, it just looks silly.

GreenLoreMay 22, 20162 votes

Well character design isn't hyper realistic. Otherwise we wouldn't have champs like Braum in the game.

I think that Garen with smaller shoulder plates might look more reasonable,but wouldn't look like Garen.

Eitherway a full VU isn't needed for him,he got already one and they should rather spend their resources on other champs.

Warlord DienekesMay 22, 20161 votes

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Well character design isn't hyper realistic. Otherwise we wouldn't have champs like Braum in the game.

I think that Garen with smaller shoulder plates might look more reasonable,but wouldn't look like Garen.

Eitherway a full VU isn't needed for him,he got already one and they should rather spend their resources on other champs.

I'm not saying you have to go pure realism. But I do think the giant pauldrons are part of why his head looks so small in comparison. They are so cartoon-y that the rest of him doesn't seem to fit.

ElikainMay 22, 20162 votes

Every VU Riot has done is because the champion was badly in need of it. It's not because it was a publicity stunt or because they wanted more money from players. Currently, there are a lot more champions who could use a touch up here and there but they have a backlog of work that is on top of their list and they get to go first. In case you haven't noticed, they want quality work to be done, therefore Reworks + VGUs take precedent and they take up more time to be done right.

They can also randomly do an Update to a certain champ, if they manage to squeeze it in the time frame + have available resources.

Photos of GhostsMay 22, 20162 votes

They'll come back ne day, once they've made most of the grave reworks. Also PARSLEY SAAAAGE ROSEMARY AND THYYYYME

tsetbergMay 22, 20162 votes

Those days never existed. The visual updates are ALWAYS to give minor sales boosts to champions who have fallen too far down.

BatchBustsMetaMay 22, 20161 votes

Idk if you listen to the LOL podcast at all, but it explains this. The teams all work together on updates, art story, gameplay, etc. They feed off each others ideas, and use it to make a strong thematic that fits the characters design, and look. Its called the DNA team I think? So yeah its just a better way of doing things rather than just take on a revamp of the visuals that may or may not fit a future skillset or lore piece. for instance with taric they might have kept his shield in a vu change, but his skillset doesnt require the shield at all so itd be weird to have it. So by doing it all at once they have a much stronger more thematic design. Idk if I explained this well... Just listen to the podcast Riot does a really good job on this topic.

JasiwelMay 22, 20161 votes

I'm quite positive it has to do with feasibility and how doing a VU with gameplay changes is simply the most time effective way to achieve it. Understand that because most champions that need VUs also need gameplay changes, Riot has a much better opportunity to improve their production value (guys this important, like super important) on top of their visual aesthetics and game health.

Then there's the whole debacle with what we've seen with Ryze, how he's gone through so many changes, and those changes turned into time sinks that have led Riot to "We just have to completely rehaul him, guys." It's so much more time and cost effective to update the VU/GU at the same time than to keep trying updates piece-by-piece without any real success.

That said, "most" champions does not equate to all of them. I can definitely agree that Ezreal/Morde/Udyr and a few others need VU help without being completely reworked.

Ezreal/Udyr could definitely use a Nasus-level VU in a year or so, given their Ulti skins will have become a bit dated by then. I know a Rioter said somewhere that Ez's ultimate skin is being retouched eventually at the very least, so that will probably be in time for his eventual VU.

I want to mention how I feel this thread is a bit hysteria-bitten though. It acts like Riot is acting malicious or negligent in this affair and that simply is not the case.

St HummusMay 22, 20161 votes

I have the feeling that almost every completely overhauled Champion update is terrible (except for Sion ),Malzahar is even more horrible to play against, furthermore do Champion updates lose the feeling most mains got with them, for example Casseiopia and skarner. When I see a Champion update I now get scared.

Warlord DienekesMay 22, 20161 votes

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I have the feeling that almost every completely overhauled Champion update is terrible (except for ),Malzahar is even more horrible to play against, furthermore do Champion updates lose the feeling most mains got with them, for example Casseiopia and skarner. When I see a Champion update I now get scared.

Well going to be as fair as I can be to Riot. Sion's redesign was the best. Poppy's and Taric's from solely a gameplay perspective were also well done. I hate what they did to Poppy's personality and am ambivalent toward Taric. Shen? I have mixed opinions on.

But during their group re-works I think have been kind of mixed. There are some champions that I think they really helped give a style to, like Graves for instance. But there were others like Mordekaiser and Skarner which were just trying too hard to be a gimmick. Ultimately I think the mass re-works change too much all at once leaving fairly obvious problems that probably wouldn't have gotten past a beta if the champs were worked on singularly (like Malzahar's passive or Graves's original damage scaling).

CasterGilgameshMay 23, 20161 votes

Udyr needs an update and he needed it yesterday his Doritos hands in tiger form is atrocious one of the only champions you have to pay for a VU

NineTailedMysticMay 23, 20161 votes

I just wish Ahri would get some very minor work. Fix how her tails are all over her butt and give her a sprinting animation that isn't her normal walk sped up.