Daily reminder Eve's W needs to be reverted

[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wgMsA7e9,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2015-05-24T22:47:49.984+0000)

The active has NOT changed. The PASSIVE changed. Saying it was a buff when the active has not changed is moronic and makes absolutely no sense.

The active cooldown is reduced by spell hits now. After 3 seconds the active times out, But with 40% CDR you can get the active again after only 1-2 additional seconds. Before the change you had to wait 6 seconds. The passive was often just not good enough for chasing. With the active reset it is way more difficult now to escape an Evelynn with CDR. I probably got 20 kills because of that, while i only lost 2 kills because of the passive removal.

Actually no, in itself it is the worst of the 4 enchants. It offers CDR which can be gained elsewhere. Cinderhulk offers long term health. Warrior's offers more for its gold cost. Devourer scales as the game continues Magus is the weakest of the enchant and built the least for good reason.

I talk about Evelynn. These numbers are for Evelynn. So Magus is build the seconds most on Evelynn.

Evelynn wants CDR as early as possible, because it is the best stat for her. She also wants AP as her seconds best stat. Magus is just perfect for her. Buying low CDR-jungle items with no AP and waiting for another 20% CDR item will hurt her mid game power. It also delays high AP items like Rabadons. A terrible idea.

Evelynn is an Assassin, so health is a bad stat for her. She needs damage. Bruiser Evelynn can work, but it is just no as good as Assassin Eve.

Warrior is less gold efficient than Magus. And Eve can't even use the armor penetration as well as other champions.

Devourer is ok for Autoattacks and E but it offers nothing for Q. No CDR, no AP, no AD.

And Cinderhulk reveals Evelynn now. Never buy it!

Do you know about wasting early game damage and choosing weak machetes on eve? Seems like it. Trailblazer is useless after level 9 because evelynn clears so fast it does not matter. Spellvamp also matters little since you would build Botrk which provides survivability and abuses her on hit from her E. Early game damage is incredibly important for evelyn.

Early game damage is important for Eve. Because of that I use only 1 spellvamp quint. This spellvamp works with smite damage. That means that you lose not much health in the early game in the jungle, and that you don't lose health at all after a certain point in the early/mid game. Ganking with full health is better than ganking with 2/3 health but a champion smite. And i only buy 2 health pots at the start of the game. I don't need a single one afterwards. I see people buy tons of health pots on other junglers, but complaining about Eves sustain. I laugh.

And champion smites are useless in the late game for Evelynn. She can burst people from 2000 to 0 in 1 seconds. No champion smite needed. And if you smite champions you don't have it for dragon/baron. Smite is for jungling.

Her mobility is poor

A 30%-70% movement speed boost with resets is very powerful.

Her passive is not super powerful. Its a pressure tool but isn't offensively or defensively great.

Defensively it is not great, but you can siege without taking poke. But offensively??? You can just run at squishys and kill them.

[{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wgMsA7e9,comment-id=0000000000020001,timestamp=2015-05-25T00:53:47.971+0000)

Spellvamp is not a useful stat on Eve any more. Since her E was changed to apply on-hit effects, that means it no longer applies spell vamp, and her other abilities are all AoE. You really only benefit from spellvamp when smiting.

The bigger part of the heal came from Q and Smite even before the E change. The E change didn't hurt the spellvamp hard in the early game (more in the late game when E does 1000 damage). With spellvamp, good masterys and Trailblazer the jungle sustain is really good, and that is important.

[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wgMsA7e9,comment-id=0000000000030000,timestamp=2015-05-25T12:58:05.242+0000)

Actually she is one of my favorite junglers, but hey, I appreciate the attempt at an ad hominem. How about you kindly stay off the topic of balance when its been clear pick rate and win rate have little correlation with the capabilities of a champ in solo queue.

How to kite jungle camps in 3 simple steps.

1. Hit the jungle monster
2. Move away from jungler monster
3. Hit the jungle monster again

I mean...you can make it two steps but the key point is to make sure you don't reset it. Of course, if you want to make it seem much more technical we can add clicking as astep but to someone who can do 1 frame cancels in fighting games its a rather easy thing to do.

Did you know that Syndra's ultimate deals more damage the more spheres she has out? Matter of fact statements hold no purpose in an argument.

Um...no she can't. Evelyn was not capable of chasing down champions such as Kallista (before he martial poise nerf), even with her "gotta go fast" which provided her a high movement speed. When you also consider champions such as Zed, Leblanc, chasing those champions down with slows; which have a soft cap btw; becomes an impossibility.

Yeah...clearly you've no idea what you are talking about. Her passive is strong only due to the strategic ability to avoid wards directly, which...btb, any champion with a gap closer can avoid such as VI or Jarvan. Evelynn makes you play safe, but the stealth in itself holds no offensive or defensive direct strengths which are important. Just refrain from commenting on things you have no idea what you are talking about. There is a reason Evelynn doesn't see play professionally.

Lmao I stopped reading when you were talking about how to kite jg monsters and then said you don't want to reset it. Was almost bawling. Of course you want to reset it, it has 5 aggro resets before walking all the way back to it's origin. Let's for example say it's the blu buff golem. The proper way to kite it is to initiate on it, retreat toward the river while pulling and q'ing it, get stuck on it's small minions RIGHT at the reset distance and watch it spin around doing it's best Michael Jackson impression while you kill and take no dmg at all. Be careful not to dmg the small minions to death, your aa range can reach over them. Lmao, wow. Hoo hoo hoo. Oh man, my sides hurt. Like, seriously, you're not even close to my level man, just stay off the subject of eve balance. Please. Not bothering with the rest of this post.

No back talk.

Wowza. Just. So. Funny.

Chasing LeBlanc or Zed as Evelynn was impossible even before these changes. You need much more than 4-16 movement to chase those guys (or even 80 movement speed.)

[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wgMsA7e9,comment-id=0000000000030000,timestamp=2015-05-25T12:58:05.242+0000)

There is a reason Evelynn doesn't see play professionally.

She was played in the last game of the MSI finals.

The problem here is that we're talking about two different things. You are talking about AD bruiser Evelynn (not even AD-assassin Evelynn), and I'm talking about AP assassin Evelynn.

As far as I'm concerned, that should be her role. As an assassin, she should be a skirmisher, not an in-the-thick-of-it fighter. Run in, burst down a target, run out.

You don't need a full Luden's Echo, but Aether Wisp should be something you are buying extremely early, after your tier 2 jungle item and boots. If you are doing well, you can easily grab that before 6.

AP Evelynn is able to chase much better because she doesn't rely on autoattacks as much, but if you are playing her as AD, your Cutlass/BotRK active should give you the extra chasing power that you need to stick to them until your passive brings your W back up.

As for the resets - you are underestimating the power of AoE skills. You should have 25% CDR for most of the game, so you have a cooldown of ~11 seconds. If you run in with your ultimate and hit the entire enemy team, that's -5 seconds. Next, you use two Qs, hitting 3 champions each. Your W is now fully reset, and you can use it again. Yes, those are ideal scenarios - you'll rarely hit all 5 members of the enemy team, or double up Q damage that often, but you'll still get a lesser effect in normal play.