Remove the villan passive on garen

Rozair·Apr 21, 2016·1 votes·705 views

It's toxic. Just like veigar ult ap scaling. Why are you punished for doing good riot?

13 Comments

archerno1Apr 21, 20161 votes

So from useless to make him mega useless?

DraqoneApr 21, 20161 votes

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So from useless to make him mega useless?

He is currently the 10th highest winrate toplaner (out of 50).

That said the change is unnecessary. The only thing I don't like about Garen is that his Q makes his laning too safe since he can use it to run away.

Fondling GemsApr 21, 20161 votes

And lategame it makes it way too easy to getaway for 4 seconds at which point you heal so fast

archerno1Apr 21, 20162 votes

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He is currently the 10th highest winrate toplaner (out of 50).

That said the change is unnecessary. The only thing I don't like about Garen is that his Q makes his laning too safe since he can use it to run away.

What about gold/ plat +?He is easy to play champ so he can dominate bad players from Bronze and Silver and get high stats.

DraqoneApr 21, 20161 votes

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What about gold/ plat +?He is easy to play champ so he can dominate bad players from Bronze and Silver and get high stats.

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Top&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend

That's from Plat to Challenger.

JavelinJoeApr 21, 20161 votes

site might not be accurate. It says Rammus dropped 10 ranks to 5th place...

DraqoneApr 21, 20161 votes

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site might not be accurate. It says Rammus dropped 10 ranks to 5th place...

It goes by role position. He is overall ranked 17th (by their arbitrary scoring based on stats), dropping from 7th.

JavelinJoeApr 21, 20161 votes

Ah, but I have to say that without his Q's movement speed, he would struggle with chasing and escaping, since he has no other form of disengage/engage and will be kited very easily since he is melee.

DraqoneApr 21, 20161 votes

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Ah, but I have to say that without his Q's movement speed, he would struggle with chasing and escaping, since he has no other form of disengage/engage and will be kited very easily since he is melee.

It's fine but should only apply when moving towards enemy champions :P at least thematically.

JavelinJoeApr 21, 20161 votes

But his Q is necessary to escape ganks as well since he is fairly easy to gank because he lacks hard cc. Maybe lower the speed but increase the duration but IMO it is fine as is.

fasegaApr 21, 20161 votes

http://na.op.gg/champion/Garen/TOP

Says he is 30th 49.23% win rate

RäzerApr 21, 20161 votes

What I think is OP for Garen is his passive heal. He should not be allowed to heal if he is attacking, it should be an out of combat heal, as in he had to fall back and wait for his passive to kick in.

His current state if you are trading with him at all, he just steps back after hitting half HP, 5 seconds later he is full and you're still half.