Everyone just ban zed until he has a 100% ban rate

Rozair·Jun 11, 2016·230 votes·8,652 views

"Balance is weakness"

168 Comments

TurquoiseYoshiJun 12, 201627 votes

I can't. Other people ban it before it's my turn.

LankPantsJun 12, 201618 votes

Go for Fizz then, he's definitely the next in line.

MelledoneusJun 12, 20163 votes

I just ban Graves and move along. Top lane doesn't need to be top lame.

vikenJun 11, 201617 votes

To be fair, his win rate went down by a solid 2-3% after patch 6.11, leaving him with 47%. And if you're gonna argue that he's banned most of the time, he still has a fair 6% pick rate. He's notably weaker than before, I think he's fine.

ZarvanisJun 11, 201677 votes

He isn't banned for being broken, he's banned for being anti-fun.

Just google the reasons why he's considered anti-fun. There are plenty of people who've already explained it better than I could.

Cloth ArmorJun 12, 201619 votes

Does this mean if an opponent plays zedd i can report him for giving me a negative game experience?

HayRossJun 12, 201620 votes

if an opponent plays zedd

I'm not trying to make fun of you but...

Zed, Zedd, and Zeddy: http://s33.postimg.org/lzwz7terz/zed_zedd_n_zeddy.png

First thing that came to mind

DengedenJun 12, 20163 votes

Well if you will automatically hate champions that encapsulate poke and mobility, there's nothing Riot can do. They can perform as terribly as you can imagine, they can have all sort of weaknesses you will ignore, they have a flashy kit and can't run oom, anti-fun.

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbJun 12, 201610 votes

and 100-0 and safe farming

DengedenJun 12, 20163 votes

Everyone can farm safely, even without mobility. Just like everyone is a little vulnerable after using their abilities to "farm safely".

CeexSettJun 12, 201611 votes

I would like to know how full melee champions can farm safely

DengedenJun 12, 20161 votes

By having access to hard CC, ranged abilities or sustain.

I'm curious why Yasuo wouldn't be considered "full melee champion" btw.

CeexSettJun 12, 20163 votes

Yasuo's Q has 400 and something range, and the tornado has pretty high range as well.

Having hard CC doesn't allow you to safely farm, unless that hard CC isn't gated by resources (stay weak Riven )

DengedenJun 12, 20161 votes

I'd love to see a Yasuo farm with nothing but Q, that would be way too fun to watch.

Of course CC helps. You walk forward and use said CC when people try to punish you. Using it won't make you instantly run oom either sooooo...

CeexSettJun 12, 20163 votes

Dude if you are playing Yasuo against Azir that is the only way you can farm. It's certainly not hard.

DengedenJun 12, 20161 votes

Yasuo against Azir sounds like a lost lane if I've ever seen one.

CeexSettJun 12, 20164 votes

Yasuo vs Azir is the definition of "you either outskill your opponent by 5 elos or there is nothing you can do."

KetiaXJun 12, 20169 votes

Does that mean Garen, Maokai, Malphite, Tahm Kench, and (insert melee tank here) can farm safely against Gnar?

Nope. They can't. The only time they can is when Gnar isn't there.

DengedenJun 12, 20161 votes

As long as you acknowledge Yas, Fizz and probably even Zed can't farm safely against him either.

KetiaXJun 13, 20163 votes

You do realize Yasuo hard counters Gnar, right? If Yasuo blocks Gnar's Q with W, Gnar cannot reset its cooldown, and he instantly lost the majority of his poke damage. When that happens, Yasuo can easily abuse Gnar.

Zed can always farm safely with his skills. He might lose some cs, but definitely still safe because Gnar can't force Zed out of lane. I would agree with Fizz though.

DengedenJun 13, 20161 votes

Oh yeah, that's a matchup. Well, derp. Gnar will be more useful for his team, I guess? It's not like Yasuo will be able to deny a resourceless ranged champ like Gnar (or be able to fight Mega Gnar).

Gnar v Zed is another story though. The tanks you mentioned all have some way of weathering the storm against Gnar poke. Zed will get poked or miss CS when the wave starts to push. He might get poked less than them but he's less durable then they are too.

KetiaXJun 14, 20162 votes

Yes, yes you can deny a tank that relies heavily on gold to survive the enemy's DPS (as with most, if not all tanks)

I did say that Zed will still be pressured. He'll just have a better time because of his ranged skills. He may not be as durable, but most tanks can't even farm and can only get some exp because the moment they walk in to CS, Gnar's going to poke them hard. Plus, Zed won't be too worried about Mega Gnar because he can't reach Zed that easily, while tanks will really suffer.

DengedenJun 14, 20161 votes

Not as Yasuo you can't. That champion needs a lead to be anything and that's something Gnar definitely won't give him. Gnar might need gold but Yasuo needs it more.

Like I said, "most tanks" have access to something like Malphite passive, Maokai passive, Garen passive, Sion W, Tahm E (passive) and that's all the top lane tanks I could think off. Unless Zed has the wave constantly pushed towards Gnar, he won't be able to farm from range, ergo, he'll miss farm.

DengedenJun 15, 20162 votes

How? Yasuo will either get a Zeal that will turn him into a pure splitpusher or the Triforce vs Gnar's cheaper Cleaver. Gnar might be a worse tank when on even grounds with others but he's definitely a better tank and initiator than Yasuo.

So are Malphite and Garen zoned from CS or not? If it's the former, their passives will reset.

Sion can easily get an early FH or IBG?

About Tahm? What? What? He activated his E so he won't get health regen but ... didn't?

Michael SykesJun 12, 20163 votes

the only problem I have with him is the fact that he has an extremely strong long-range poke without putting himself in danger, which should not be in the kit of an assassin. The other stuff is okay since he is supposed to kill people fast.

SnowplosionJun 12, 20163 votes

I agree. Zed is not an overpowered champion, but rather an over-oppressive champion

ExodasiusJun 12, 20161 votes

Why isn't Kennen being banned than? At least I can survive the majority of laning phase vs Zed, even if I'm a squishy with low mobility. By the time he hits 6, I'll be close enough to Zhonyas that he won't be able to 100-0 me, or even 70-0 me (as a veigar). However, Kennen does an incredibly amount of damage early, is a safe laner to play, and has a passive with an easily proced stun. And Kennen is manaless, has an equally un-fun ult to play against, and can snowball other lanes too easily.

KnoyleJun 12, 20163 votes

Kennen has no reall gap closer outside his E which is only a gap closer due to mobility steroid. It also requires him to run into you putting him in a dangerous range of anyone who is good at melee combat. He also has to hit you with his passive 3 times so his CC is not instant. You will likely see it coming. His ultimate also puts him right dab in the middle of a teamfight with no real way out unless enough enemies die or are attempting to flee afterwards.

I am a FeministJun 11, 201612 votes

balance*

DracosKasuJun 12, 201612 votes

I don't ban him for being too strong, I ban him for the sanity of my teamate, there NOTHING fun for any mid or adc to be kill by him. If you want bad counterplay design there we go Zed is your man, oh sure it is fun to play him BUT that not explain how frustrating he can be for anyway who play against him.

item 3140 nerf was stupid, sorry if you want to remove the item go but if you want to ruin everyone Ult CC to the ground but let debuff go hell no, why someone like Skarner should be punish more than Zed on his ult is a big NO NO.

Air MagiJun 12, 20161 votes

I don't ban him for being too strong, I ban him for the sanity of my teamate, there NOTHING fun for any mid or adc to be kill by him. If you want bad counterplay design there we go Zed is your man, oh sure it is fun to play him BUT that not explain how frustrating he can be for anyway who play against him.

Accurate description of the problem regarding Fizz Zed Leblanc MasterYi

ElewdJun 12, 20164 votes

at least master yi is sorta easy to deal with now that his tankbuild is rip. and leblanc actually falls off lategame.

manbearswineJun 12, 201610 votes

But legends say that if kindred enter a game the world ends, I can't take that risk.

Air MagiJun 12, 20161 votes

kindred is only a threat if it manages to get 10+stack in less than 20 min

DarkSunSovereignJun 12, 20165 votes

they*

TheOvermindJun 12, 20167 votes

Maybe riot will one day be able to translate this into a "your lame champion design is not welcome to our games and we don't want to play with zed in our games " maybe then riot will realize that there is no such thing as an " early game assassin that falls off late but rips you to pieces in lane "

ChoaruJun 12, 20166 votes

personally, as i wrote in a comment belowI don't find Zed worth banning anymore,-, If you keep banning a champ because you don't want to play vs him since he is annoying or Anti-fun then you are never going to learn how to deal with him when he is picked against you. Like seriously if you hate playing vs Zed then maybe learn a few tips and tricks you can use against them so when he is picked you won't be feeding your hatred for the champ. (because that is your own damn fault >_>) as for anti-fun I can name many other champs that are more Anti-fun than Zed, but in all seriousness this is personal preference

i don't get all the zed hate really. I know he can be annoying but all these QQ posts are kinda getting a lil repetitive.... Why can't we go and QQ about how broken LB is or something...;/ Imagine is Zed was a real person...gosh i feel so bad for him.

Ariel the CruelJun 12, 201618 votes

I hate Zed because he sucks the fun out of the game for the other team. This has nothing to do with him being strong or weak (though overload is defiantly a factor). It also has nothing to do with my ability to play against him. I can lane against him just fine - that doesn't make it any more fun. Other champions I don't like because they're simply incredibly unfun to deal with:

Tryndamere and Susan. Because baby-sitting top lane for 50 minutes if "fun".
Kalista and Kench. Their shared ability is ridiculously jarring.
Kalista. Also because of her passive and back-loaded damage.
Yasuo. When champions are given weaknesses and counter-play, they shouldn't become a newb-trap when playing against good ones.
LeBroke. Getting 100-0'ed in under a second from 800 range away. Also, the tether: can we please make the refresh rate on that thing less forgiving?
Rengar. Speaking of 100-0'ed in under a second. This one stars out invisible.
Quinn. Q.
Nidalee. Near impossible to catch. Chucks ICBM's from 1500 range on 4 second CD. If I wanted to play a bullet hell, I'd play Tahou.
~~Teemo~~ Satan. F'ing shrooms.

PM Faker NudesJun 11, 20165 votes

But then Irelia would just pentakill everyone repeatedly..

spombjopJun 12, 20163 votes

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But then Irelia would just pentakill everyone repeatedly..

irelia is trash, she sucks vs any tank in lane

ElewdJun 12, 20164 votes

because thats why shes the best bruiser/fighter to use against tanks. :^)

spombjopJun 12, 20163 votes

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because thats why shes the best bruiser/fighter to use against tanks. :^)

akali and irelia are bad vs tankers, that's fact irelia is good vs ranged squshies on top lane that she can burst after 6 with sheen

ElewdJun 12, 20164 votes

Akali is an assassin, not a fighter/bruiser. Irelia is a fighter who deals TRUE DAMAGE. shes always been a good pick into tanks because of her passive and true damage.

rubberduckie666Jun 12, 20162 votes

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Akali is an assassin, not a fighter/bruiser. Irelia is a fighter who deals TRUE DAMAGE. shes always been a good pick into tanks because of her passive and true damage.

item 3110 oh look now irelia cant do too much damage Malphite + oh look now irelia is irelivant irelia has never been a good pick into tanks let alone most bruisers because they can kill her early and true damage is entirely auto based and even late game its not going to be that high compaired to a tanks health. and her passive sure its good but its not that good, at the end of the day she is a fighter focus her and she will die quick because of having to invest into some damage over tankstats