Exhaust is an automatic remove the selected champion from the team fight for 2 seconds.
Got fed in your lane? Shit out of luck because the enemy mid and support both have exhaust to chain exhaust you for 4 seconds, and your 8 kill advantage is next to useless.
I don't mind having exhaust in the game, but this vanilla spell does need to be reworked.
Spoofghoul22 votesMaybe it's a byproduct of damage being out of control
nobody really needs ignite anymore to oneshot people
exhaust on the other hand helps prevent one shots
doiminat0r36006 votesNot to mention that neither have been touched but all of a sudden "EXAUST TOO OP"
Salron4 votesIt's not all of a sudden People have been calling exhaust overpowered for quite some time
Sire Hippington1 votesstill, ehaust and ginite are about the same since S4, the comlaints started rather recently. Exhaust mostly became op because of other changes, makeing the damage reduction more important aswell as causeing the 2.5 sec slow+res shred to be leathal in many situations. With less overall damage, the damagre reduction wouldn't be as crittical and the victims would have a chance to survive the 2.5sec and simply hold down their combo till exhaust runs out.
doiminat0r36001 votesBut people have also never complained about it in this quantity. This is the first time anything like this has happened.
vOmvbrawfU9 votes"This summoner spells needs nerfed because it's picked over ignite."
Wut.
Maybe, and here me out on this one, just maaaybe people are running exhaust because of how strong some assassins like Kha and Rengar are right now. And because of how much damage has been added to everything. But who knows, maybe it's none of that and maybe and unchanged exhaust just now became OP and needs nerfed.
48983507DEL11 votesThe reason Exhaust hasn't been complained about before (to this extent) is because it hasn't become mainstream for most solo-laners up until recently.
Exhaust actually did get a major change; a reduction of 10 armor/mr is a giant buff in the early game, especially since they barely tweaked the damage reduction and slow.
But, because it took place during the League of Map Presence, it wasn't pushed into the spotlight.
The idea throughout season 5 and 6 was:
"If you're Top Lane, and not playing 
, you take 
."
and
"If you're Mid Lane, and not playing an Assassin, you take ."
After Teleport got nerfed, people started looking for substitutes.
Once they realized that Exhaust could function as both Barrier and Ignite, since it could provide both safety and kill pressure within a single summoner spell, it quickly became picked over the alternatives.
The only reason it was buffed before was because Supports were taking Ignite more often. I highly doubt Riot intended on making it the optimal choice for solo laners.
ccseancc1438 votesExhaust is the only spell in the game that has a defensive and offensive purpose. Every combat summoner is either offensive or defensive but, exhaust is the only spell that retains its value whether you are ahead or not.
Nick Da Chip7 votesI'm pretty sure flash, barrier, cleanse, and probably more can be used both offensively and defensively.
EDIT: Also ghost
PB4UAME1 votesEven the ms boost on heal has gotten me numerous kills I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
Jihyobda1 votesHeal is an offensive spell, fucking too scared of fighting withou it on adc
48983507DEL11 votesBarrier isn't used offensively in any regard. Even using it to tank a turret shot is still using it as defensive protection.
Cleanse is the same deal. You can use it to aid an offensive maneuver, but ultimately it's purpose is to PROTECT you from something.
Flash I can understand, but it also doesn't provide any in-game stats whatsoever. Nearly every other summoner spell affects the amount of damage you can deal and absorb, the movement speed of your champion, or the duration crowd control affects you. Flash and Teleport, however, offer you more than just number tweaks.
Ghost is the only statement I 100% agree with. If you'd mentioned Teleport, I'd also agree with that as well. But I'd like to argue that those two spells are pretty fairly balanced as "Jack-of-All-Trades" spells. Exhaust is simply Barrier, but better.
ChaoticPinecone1 votesHate to break it to you, but most summoners can be used both offensively and defensively.
- defensive because you get a huge shield, but getting a huge shield means you can stay in the fight longer. Its effectively like having a higher health pool for a couple seconds - its both a defensive trait that lets you do your offensive better/safer.
- are you OOM to waveclear or OOM to poke
- takes away a disable (defensive) but give you some tenacity. They can save you or they can help you fight and keep fighting.
- you already know
Flash away or flash forward
Ghost away or ghost forward
Heal to save yourself from dying or ghost forward. It also helps you win all-ins, which can be offensive (if youre all-inning) or defensive (if youre getting all-inned)
mostly offensive, but can serve a defensive purpose as a deterrent. If youre vs a TP laner, ignite often gives you the upper hand in a all-in, so your opponenet isnt going to fight you (or will be stupid to fight you). But this one Ill give you is mostly offensive.
Scout bushes or gapclose
Use against champions for the slow/skirmishers passive or use agasint monsters for the heal
Get back into lane after a bad trade or TP ganks
Weasel Kensei1 votesExhaust is the only spell in the game that has a defensive and offensive purpose. Every combat summoner is either offensive or defensive but, exhaust is the only spell that retains its value whether you are ahead or not.
I mean, I flash to get away from ganks, and to secure kills on many MANY more champions than I run Exhaust on. I mean do you hear yourself? "...the only spell in the game that has a defensive and offensive purpose?
Iv flashed to dodge a Fizz ult and get closer to him to use it both offensively and defensively, and many other examples of similar maneuvers with it.
As for its value, it actually gains value when behind because securing a kill, or just zoning the enemy isnt too difficult when ahead, but the more damage a champ does, as well as the more attack speed they have, the more stats Exhaust cuts off making it better.
The problem with the spell is damage creep. It is powerful, and it is hard to do much during its duration. Because the game has devolved a bit into "blow them up before they blow you up 3 second fights," getting killed during exhaust happens more than it used to. It isnt the -10 resist on Exhaust blowing you up... its the blowing you up thats blowing you up.
If we nerf Exhaust, then the blow you up champs will just have less counters, and then they will have higher win rates and get nerfed... that will be the result of Exhaust nerfs.
agbudar5 votesexhaust only became a staple in mid after certain assasins were so opressive that mages just take it by default. now that those assasins got a rework that is no longer the case.
Clementine4 votesJust no. Exhaust is one of the only things that makes a single (that's one) champion do less damage all together, the only other thing I can think of is Sona's W powerchord. If Exhaust gets nerfed then what's the point of taking it if it's main job to do make it so Rengar can't oneshot your carry and run away at 550 movement speed?
Rock MD2 votes[{quoted}](name=Lulu Hentai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wXOGJt5G,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-09T00:11:06.457+0000)
Just no. Exhaust is one of the only things that makes a single (that's one) champion do less damage all together, the only other thing I can think of is Sona's W powerchord. If Exhaust gets nerfed then what's the point of taking it if it's main job to do make it so Rengar can't oneshot your carry and run away at 550 movement speed?
It reduces damage output, MS, armor, MR, and AS
don't you think that's a bit much?
Also Rengar can Cleanse Exhaust with his W.
Clementine1 votesRemove the MR and armour reduction and increase the damage reduction output? I mean, 10 armour/mr really only effects early game and is pretty useless late game
and yeah, that's the problem
Rock MD2 votes[{quoted}](name=Lulu Hentai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wXOGJt5G,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-02-09T00:21:44.801+0000)
Remove the MR and armour reduction and increase the damage reduction output? I mean, 10 armour/mr really only effects early game and is pretty useless late game
and yeah, that's the problem
The armor/MR is literally 10 armor. Trading that for increasing the amount of damage you remove is one of the most insane buffs I've heard yet.
Why don't you sit in a corner and think about what you just said?
Clementine1 votesYou're acting like exhaust is the LeBlanc of summoner spells. But then again, you main bursty mid champs and ADCs so that must be why you're in tears about you not oneshotting whoever you want level 6
Rock MD2 votes[{quoted}](name=Lulu Hentai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wXOGJt5G,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-09T00:30:38.461+0000)
You're acting like exhaust is the LeBlanc of summoner spells. But then again, you main bursty mid champs and ADCs so that must be why you're in tears about you not oneshotting whoever you want level 6
...
You're acting like exhaust is the LeBlanc of summoner spells.
Probably because it is.
I played a game where our GP top, me, Corki mid, and the support all had Exhaust. On the other team there were two Exhausts.
Like, I play Ahri. I can just RE in, bait an Exhaust AND a Heal, and then R out. I don't give a shit about that.
I DO give a shit that after playing so many games of support and Exhaust as a midlaner, it's completely making up for any flaws I have. That's fucked.
The Zed I had in one of my Diamond games had Exhaust too. Exhaust is simply better at helping tack on damage, makes him nigh impossible to kill, and just helps him survive you Exhausting him first.
That's a fucked up meta if you ask me.
Clementine2 votesYes would be much better if exhaust made you take 40% increased damage instead so everybody is getting one shot. God forbid you have a chance to fight back against a Khazix
Rock MD1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lulu Hentai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wXOGJt5G,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-09T00:48:58.810+0000)
Yes would be much better if exhaust made you take 40% increased damage instead so everybody is getting one shot. God forbid you have a chance to fight back against a Khazix
Have you tried not being overextended?
Kha'Zix wins against everyone except -Bruisers, who outduel him -Tanks, who he outduels but survive long enough to get away unless you're caught in a bad spot or being moronic -A bot lane who isn't split off and doing dumb shit
He wins against mages because shit, he's an assassin, he kinda should. Solo ADCs because shit, he's an assassin, he kinda should. Solo supports because shit, he's an assassin, he kinda should. And people he outjungles because shit, that should usually be rewarded.
The only legitimate complaints about him should be about how it's a little easier than it should be for him to catch you in the jungle, but Riot did work on fixing that with the patch that was just added.
Clementine1 votesAre you actually defending Khazix? I think this conversation is over, sorry
Rock MD1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lulu Hentai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wXOGJt5G,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-09T01:20:57.813+0000)
Are you actually defending Khazix? I think this conversation is over, sorry
I'm redirecting your complaints since you're bitching about what's common counterplay for assassins, not what makes Kha'Zix strong.
I didn't realize I was overextended by being in lane at second wave bot lane while khaxix jumps in and mid air casts his skills to insta thunderlords me because junglers get three faster.
The only legitimate complaints about exhaust are cleanse being shit (i.e. just ever so slightly worse than the common 2 picks) and the mr/armor reduction.
Junglers haven't been getting off level 3 cheese for a while now, unless they use an EXP Quint, lmao.
Also, how dumb do you have to be to think Cleanse is a bad spell?
Clementine1 votesWhen did I say Cleanse is bad? And Ivern level 3 cheese doesn't exist? hmm, where was I when that stopped
Rock MD1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lulu Hentai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wXOGJt5G,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-09T01:38:45.010+0000)
When did I say Cleanse is bad? And Ivern level 3 cheese doesn't exist? hmm, where was I when that stopped
Read who wrote the replies.
Ivern is one of a select few who can still reliably do it, to the point you should expect it as much as midlaners have to worry about the level 2 gank on mid from Shaco.
Is it still cheesy? Arguably. Is it a problem-causing unique trait? Not if it doesn't crowd out other champions, and the jungle still sees a decent variety of 7-8 champions.
Ivern is good, especially in pro play, for other reasons that Riot HAS taken to address. Including how strong Daisy is.
Clementine1 votesLevel 3 cheese hasn't existed for a while, but it exists
MrHaZeYo1 votesLol, I like Exhaust, but it is over powered. It can still serve its purpose if the Armor/Mr was removed.
Clementine1 votesAnd something else about it was buff for compensation
Ratbert3 votesI didn't realize I was overextended by being in lane at second wave bot lane while khaxix jumps in and mid air casts his skills to insta thunderlords me because junglers get three faster.
The only legitimate complaints about exhaust are cleanse being shit (i.e. just ever so slightly worse than the common 2 picks) and the mr/armor reduction.
Glory ln Death1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lulu Hentai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wXOGJt5G,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-09T00:11:06.457+0000)
Exhaust is one of the only things that makes a single (that's one) champion do less damage all together, the only other thing I can think of is Sona's W powerchord.
Excuse me, sir, do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior, Urgod?
Clementine1 votesfuck my bad
Lauchmelder3 votesI disagree.
Nerf the fkn damage we have in this game and exhaust becomes a decent alternative again. It's the insane damage we have right now that makes it so strong, not the SS itself being "OP"
Wyrmblade2 votesExhaust is good because it hampers snowballing and makes jumping onto well protected ADCs very risky. If stacking is a problem then just give it a lock out like heal.
Whip it good2 votesMaybe they could do the same thing they have done with heal. Using exhaust on the same person that has already been affected by it is less effective so you can't stack exhausts.
GettemClone2 voteswhen i play adc .. i always hope that enemy support picks ignite
Red Wreckage2 votesGameplays' finest.
Something starts to get used more often.
"NERF TIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! RITO PLZZZZ"
such garbage filth
Backup4now1 votesExhaust is bullshit. So is every other summoner spell. Some are less so, like ghost, but they all remove weaknesses from champion kits temporarily, or turn bad plays into your favor. Neither is healthy.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, fuck summoner spells.
Vekkna1 votesUnlike Hex/Maw, which compensates for your mistakes passively instead of with a keystroke.
Backup4now1 votesHey, at least you paid for it, even if it is completely automatic and very strong. At least it's a situation where you invested gold and time building it to counteract a specific scenario (dying instantly to magic damage), rather than being free and working against any scenario (picked a fight you can't win, enemy running, blocking all damage instead of just magic, etc)
TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votesRework flash plz also. I could get a kill but then he flashed. And TP. It's OP because you get a huge advantage over players that take ignite. And image what would have happened if all 5 players took exhaust. That is 12.5 seconds my champion removed from team fight. OMG Rito nerf. :D
Proxy3451 votesI hate using ignite so I'm fine with anything else being used more lol
N Komaeda1 votesThe thing with Exhaust is that you have to give up another summoner spell.
Top's splitting in and you're bot side? Outta luck, you have , not . Likely they'll take objectives and, when you arrive there, they'll be able to slaughter you anyway, so Exhaust is wasted.
Enemy got Mundo and Soraka? Welp, you don't have an to deal with the endless stream of healing, guess you have to convince your AD / Midlaner to build 
or 
.
You're getting bursted by an assassin? Don't mind it. If you had / , you could've saved yourself. Now that you have Exhaust, you can only tag em after the initial burst... Which is futile.
Exhaust might seem overpowered, but that's because it lowers general damage output from your targeted opponent whilst removing a portion of AD and MR. However, you have to give up another combat spell for it, which you can't always have happen.
a special one1 votesGlory ln Death1 votesCongratulations.
Profirix1 votesExhaust gives squishy champions a fighting chance when they get jumped on by an assassin or high damage dealer. It has a fairly long cooldown and only affects one target. It is a necessary thing to have lest every Katarina, Riven, Leblanc, Rengar is guaranteed to one-shot you as soon as look at you.
ZephyrDrake1 votesignite has long since lost it's usefulness to every single SS in the game that's not named Barrier. Top laners ditched that thing as soon as teleport became tye norm. Mid laners would rather get anything over it 99% of the time. Supports much rather get exhaust over it 90% of the time. ADCs stopped picking it he instant Barrier was good and dropped Barrier when it got nerfed and heal got good.
Ignite as a whole is just not worth running over most of the other SSs 99% of the time
