There's been an awful lot of troll supports lately.

TheLittlestLulu··129 votes·5,011 views

Thank goodness I'm a support main so they end up on the enemy team instead of my team.

Edit: Just a clarification. When I say troll support I don't mean things like Brand support. I mean things like Urgot support with courage of the colossus and no sightstone.

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Micanis62 votes

Trundle Best troll support

Fine Ionian Silk11 votes

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Trundle Best troll support

I laughed too hard at this lol.

Hardstuck G41 votes

Is your name a reference to Akame Ga Kill? I needs to know ;-;

resumed1 votes

its actually a reference to the storm god "Susanoo", younger brother of the sun goddess "Amaterasu", both figures in japanese mythology

Hardstuck G41 votes

Yeah, Susanoo is a pretty dope dude, in both mythology and Smite. But that's not the point. My favorite anime is called Akame Ga Kill, and Susanoo was a robot character in it who was a dope dude :P

resumed2 votes

akame ga kill is edgy trite comparable to sword art online

i couldnt get past the second episode

BLACK REALM GOD3 votes

it's because the story for akame ga kill takes a while to set up the background. once the mood is set in episode 5 it takes off.

resumed2 votes

no

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

sword art online is just a really good anime. it's all about preference. i cant stand sao season 2 though. the elf one annoys me to no end. the gun game one is okay. the ending though of the final season was really really... depressing.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

I thought SAO was really good. . . until they escaped they escaped the game. Kirito being an OP mary sue didn't help. The elf thing started in S1.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

i always refer to that as season 2 because on the app i watched it on it called it season 2.

Clutchy Clutch112 votes

Akame Ga Kill is edgy in a bad way.

The Blue Rajah1 votes

If I had to watch 5 episodes before a show got good... no thanks.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

well... the first episode sets the show up as a normal adventure anime. then all of that gets thrown out the door when everything you thought the show was going to be about ends up blowing up right in your face. next the boy gets kidnapped and forced into servitude for his life. then they explain his worries and fears as he awkwardly falls in love. then that blows up in his face too. next thing you know the people who kidnapped him are training him and things seems to go pretty good. then everyone starts dying. thats when the show starts getting decent. you spend the rest of the show wondering who's going to die next. usually it's not who you think.

Fine Ionian Silk3 votes

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Is your name a reference to Akame Ga Kill? I needs to know ;-;

You're in luck, it is indeed :3

Hardstuck G41 votes

You're officially my favorite anonymous poster on this board :P

Fine Ionian Silk2 votes

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You're officially my favorite anonymous poster on this board :P

Awwww... thank you :3

WiegrafOfValor7 votes

MissFortune 32/2/0 item 3006 item 2049 item 3072 item 3031 item 3036 item 3139

  • Feel you bro... It's like they don't even
morris144 votes

Excuse me, I think you reversed the first two numbers.

Aptest4 votes

honestly your build is atrocious. Try mine on for size:

Ashe item 2302 item 3071 item 3158 item 3033 item 3085 item 3022

R184 votes

Nasty. This one is soooo much better. :^). .Ashe :item 3092 item 2045 item 3003 item 3025 item 3158

Aptest1 votes

i can get behind gauntlet but the rest is shit. AP ashe hasn't been useful since the re-work.

R181 votes

You're opinion is shit. I started playing league after her rework too.

Aptest1 votes

I see you feel really strongly about your "Arrow only" build. If your conviction is so strong, I will have to test your ideas.

Unfortunately, I kinda have to do it after i test out TahmKench summoner 6 summoner 11 support

R182 votes

TBH, any Ashe support is bad. Both our builds are fucking ass, I wanted you to know that. As long as you land your arrow though, it's more impactful than AD Ashe support, because she won't have enough attack speed to stack cleaver. The reason that build worked on MF was because her W active gave her attack speed. Plus there's no point in going coin unless you upgrade to talisman. Even then it's inferior to spellthiefs on her.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

FQC line is better than Talisman in general.

R181 votes

Yeh, but exceptions are Thresh, Soraka, and Janna

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

I prefer Targon's on Thresh. Just have to learn how to last-hit. (And get an ADC that will let you.)

Janna I go FQC unless I expect to be placed on hard defense early game. As long as you're getting in harass like you're supposed to, the gold difference is ridiculous. Especially if you roam a lot (vision).

Soraka I go Talismon to help with her health regen early game. I also run the health regen masteries on her. Nothing worse than playing the goat VS opponents with reflexes and an ADC that thinks you're a free pass to make bad trades.

R181 votes

You REALLY shouldn't be getting Spelltiefs on Janna. On Thresh, targons is good as well (personal preferences), but the Coin Line is definitely superior or Janna

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

She gets enough MS to not need Raptor's Cloak. With few exceptions, Janna should be avoiding enemy threat zones. So the Armor is of minimal benefit. She already gives retreating allies a MS buff, so the active is only great for engages. She likes the the 75% mana regen and 10% CDR on Talisman.

FQC line gives a lot more gold. Her shield scales with AP. FQC also gives the 75% mana regen and 10% CDR. The active gives a lot of information even when it doesn't reveal anyone.

Talisman has the advantage of safety. FQC is otherwise flat better on traditional supports. Targon is better on tanks. I'm not calling Talisman line bad by any means. But the alternatives are just. . . Better.

R181 votes

Uh, I don't think you understand. You should not be poking enemies as Janna. Her main role is to counter engage and she plays extremely passively. Your statement about spellthiefs granting more than coin on Janna is false.

Talisman is superior on Janna than FQC or EOW, because it grants more utility on her. I don't even know why you think you are right. The coin line is purchased WAY more often than spellthiefs because it's universally better on her.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

. Your statement about spellthiefs granting more than coin on Janna is false.

Tier 1:

Ancient Coin: 4 gold per nearby minion death.

  • 6 minions spawn every 30 seconds, + 1 cannon every 3ed wave. That makes 19 minions in a 90 second window. 19*4 = 76 gold.
  • Being away for any minion deaths reduces Coin's value. There's no mitigating factors in place to ease this.

Spell Thief's Edge: 2 gold per 10 seconds, 8 gold per 10 seconds on champion damage.

  • Thief will passively generate 18 gold in that time. Assuming all charges are used: 8 gold * 9 10 second windows = 72. 54+18 = 90.
  • Thief's requires damage on a champion, but has a 3 charge system to mitigate this and allow some leeway for roaming.

Tier 2:

Nomad's Medallion: 6 gold per minion death.

  • We'll assume we've passed the 20 minute mark at this point and cannons spawn on alternating waves. 7+6+7 = 20*6 = 120 gold

FrostFang: passive 2per10 = 18. 15 per damage every 10 seconds.

  • 15*9 = 135+18 = 153 gold

Tier 3:

Talisman: Same values.

  • We'll assume the 35 minute mark and cannons spawn every wave. 7+7+7=21*6 = 126 gold

Claim: Same values.


So under optimal use, FQC wins. And even if we throw in situational factors, FQC's added leeway in holding charges and procing on structures still gives it an edge.

You should not be poking enemies as Janna.

Unless you're against a really hard kill lane (ex: Leona/Draven) or a really heavy poke lane (ex: Cait/Zyra) that forces you to play on the back foot, you should be abusing you AA's. If you are in one of those scenarios, then go Coin. It's hard to harass if you're forced into permanent defense.

By mid game, any counter-engage you ward off will likely consume your stacks. You have lay-over time between consumption, but you also don't lose anything just because you decided to ward.

Talisman is superior on Janna than FQC or EOW, because it grants more utility on her.

It grants a move speed buff that is nice but unnecessary on her. The active is really strong, but she gets half of it's use from her passive. Gold permitting (not likely), you can get the other half from Righteous fury.

Though small, FQC adds chip damage to structures. The active is also invaluable for roaming since it not only chases and reveals the nearest enemy champions, it tells you what general direction they are in the moment you cast it. What's more, FQC line lets you brush check very easily starting at tier 1. Any time you hit an enemy champion with an ability, it consumes a stack and you get the floating 15g icon - even if that ability wouldn't otherwise indicate them (Tornado in this case).

Talisman may have a stronger active, but FQC wins in quantity hands-down.

The coin line is purchased WAY more often than spellthiefs because it's universally better on her.

Pardon my straw-man for a moment.

MF Support is also being played way more than ever because of how OP it is. (>_>)

aspects14 votes

naw fam Draven item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070

koreansmurf87513 votes

tfw u were gunna roast someone for having 7 items but then u remember that ashe isn't an item LOL

Aptest3 votes

Let's make this clear. I am a support player. An ADC is a type of item that you buy at the beginning of the game.

koreansmurf87511 votes

tbf tho, a lot of ¨troll supports¨ like veigar and annie are really good, u just need to be cooperative

Aptest1 votes

Their build is kinda different though.

With sona your build is like this: Lucian , item 3098 , item 2049 .....

but with support veigar you kinda want this build: item 3089 ....

Lucian this item is kinda tricky though. the chat interface is really clunky and old school like really old text adventure games. Should really update to maybe context sensitive on the mouse?

anyway the important thing is to understand it works kinda like the devourer doggie. to follows you around and you command it to eat creeps and such. Once eat eats 100-150 or so it "upgrades" and you can start commanding it in fights.

Also Riot, Kudos on the Eliza script in the chat for the ADC items.... But you could have done without the KS KS and the rage quits. I know its for the whole immersion thing but items should kinda be more dependable in a game.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Lucian this item is kinda tricky though. the chat interface is really clunky and old school like really old text adventure games. Should really update to maybe context sensitive on the mouse?

I'm still trying to understand why other supports buy Vayne . The agro mechanics have been buggy as hell since it was released. Often out-right ignoring disengage commands. Not to mention when the spaghetti starts leaking asterisks all over /all chat. It's just embarrassing. Rito, fix your shit!

Aptest1 votes

what's so hard to understand they prefer the late game scaling over mid game power?

but yeah the Vayne item is buggy as shit. Especially mid game when it goes into the "mad vayne plays" mode and just heads into enemy jungle and stops responding. It needs to reset once or twice before it starts accepting commands again which is infuriating. That bug should have been fixed years ago.

I'm still surprised that this old spagetty item Ashe is proving strangely reliable since it's update. I can't get the targeting for the ult to work properly though, any ideas?

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Ya. they a great job with the Ashe AI. Still has it's moments, but definitely one of the least clunky right now.

The ult is tricky though. What are you doing with it? If going for the long range snipes: Don't. The AI can't handle skill shots beyond 1000 range yet. The second skill also has this issue. Better to save it for close range engagements. Granted, there is a lingering bug where Ashe will just shoot it's arrow out randomly. Happens about once or twice a game on average. But compared to all the wonkyness of the other items, this is a small price to pay.

Aptest1 votes

well the biggest issue is when i command a mid range arrow. I'm getting wonderful hits at this range on manual control but i can't just get the AI to actually shoot when it's on command.

Also how do you turn off Auto-shoot? there's a recurring problem with badly aimed arrows being fired automatically from the fountain or into another lane.

anyway like you said it's a small price to pay since it doesn't have big glaring bugs like the loss of control you get with Vayne or even Tristana

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Also how do you turn off Auto-shoot? there's a recurring problem with badly aimed arrows being fired automatically from the fountain or into another lane.

Sounds like that bug too me. Auto-shoot should be off by default.

Tristana I've never had a control problem with that one. She got a lot easier to use once I realized, her jump is coded backwards. Seems like it'd be an easy fix, but Rito's got bigger problems. Like 3AD on lee. ;p

khorney2 votes

gee no one likes to supp hence why its always open ....... 96 % of the peopel who play this game despise supp

Doseqis7 votes

I main support and even i'm getting bored of doing the exact same thing everytime, laning phase is either Zyra infinintely harassing you with a Jhin or Caitlyn and Nami just healing half of their ADCs hp bar while also having craptons of poke and damage with a Vayne or Jhin and then later into the game you just end up warding and popping Redemption in fights where the Vayne or Jhin or Cait just 2 shots you or you get caught out warding because nobody else thought helping you would be cool.

DarkRitual4 votes

I've been enjoying Bard this patch. Lets you do different things, and roam more.

S H A Y C 02 votes

inb4 banned cuz whiney adc's report you every game for not babysitting

#RIPSINGEDSUPPORTGUY

Aptest17 votes

have you tried: Singed summoner 6 summoner 11 ???

Rendath2 votes

2 week ban for you sir. We don't accept no innovation here.

Dextix LT2 votes

AKA 30% winrate trolling while leaving your adc alone for 4/5 minutes, thus fucking up their lane and allowing the enemy bottom to snowvall.

And people still think this is innovation.....................

Ariel the Cruel3 votes

And people still think this is innovation.....................

People are still picking MF support into everything.

"Think" might be too generous a term for this community.

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