Game balance is literally out the window

KnifeCat·Feb 19, 2018·59 votes·2,285 views

Literally everyone is one shotting, just played my first game in a week, and once again i'm reminded why i hardly play anymore, i'm 4-1 in jg, enemy Kayn is 0-6, he completed duskblade.. Comes out of wall in my jg and one shots me in an instant, despite me being full hp, a whole level/ + multiple kills ahead... i didn't even have time to flash..

Brand supp with one item, and 2 levels down also one shotting everything.

Not to mention the 1-7 Nasus 1 v 2 ing everyone, u literally need the whole team to stop a 1-7 Nasus from running down towers ..

Every time i feel like playing again i'm just reminded of why i barely play, please balance your game Rito, damage is literally through the roof

47 Comments

SnowplosionFeb 19, 201817 votes

Aight I'm just gonna call bullshit because none of these scenarios sound even slightly realistic.

Tails9016Feb 19, 201822 votes

As a guy who played as Zed and went 0-8 in lane, a duskblade can change everything.

SnowplosionFeb 19, 20184 votes

Duskblade is a dumb item, but it doesn't turn the game on its head. You don't go from a feeding assassin to being able to kill an ADC or even the other mid laner.

BlåbæretFeb 19, 20187 votes

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Duskblade is a dumb item, but it doesn't turn the game on its head. You don't go from a feeding assassin to being able to kill an ADC or even the other mid laner.

You're wrong. Damage is so high that even a feeder is a threat.

jadelinkFeb 20, 20181 votes

It's why the damned thing is getting its much needed nerf. Assassins are irrelevant, they are just 'duskblade' holders, and whoever holds the duskblade better is the better assassin.

When Vi and jarvan have success in rushing an assassin item, it's broken.

Sir FuzziFeb 19, 20189 votes

Not to naysayers but yeh, you can. Unless you're pulling fights where you deal like 20% health, Duskblade heaps on about an extra 200 just on its own merits with a basic and a smack from your rotation. That can, and will make or break fights for slippery contenders like Zed.

You may have a point on someone like Garen. Zed, however-- and his ilk-- will love that buy.

SubdueFeb 19, 201811 votes

No, sorry. This is the only game in your match history where you were jungling against Kayn, and there's no point in the early game where you have a lead of more than 500 gold on him. Your story, it's fake.

https://i.imgur.com/CP2GeKB.jpg

KnifeCatFeb 19, 20186 votes

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No, sorry. This is the only game in your match history where you were jungling against Kayn, and there's no point in the early game where you have a lead of more than 500 gold on him. Your story, it's fake.

https://i.imgur.com/CP2GeKB.jpg

Not really ? as you can see at 12-22 mins i was indeed ahead in gold by quite a bit, which is when he killed me, why would i invent it ? i don't hate Kayn, he's my second main as you can see if you look at my profile, i'm not complaining about the champ, i'm just frustrated at how everyone is able to one shot with just an item or 2. i would post a replay but i have no idea how to do it. I was also one shotting once i completed duskblade .. Do you want proof of that too? i'm literally just stating that it isn't fun, not one bit. We both one shot eachother throughout the game, the fact that he did it at one point while being 0-6 is what frustrated me.

What sense would there be in showing frustration over a fake story? :/

Honestly, i don't give a shit about losing.. i really don't care much if i lose or it i win, i'm not complaining because of that, i'm complaining because i'm not having fun in a game with overloaded damage. Someone should have a decent lead to one shot you.. that's all i'm saying... Nasus should have a decent lead if he's gonna be a raid boss and run down towers. That Nasus ended up 1-12 at like 30 min, and no one or two people could deal with him. it took 3-5 people every time ... How is it fair? Damage is just out of hand and making the game unfun/unfair.. i could accept a fed Nasus doing this, but a 1-12 Nasus, with average/decent farm.. Being raid boss status.. Is just unacceptable ... So is being one shot by people who are behind, it shouldn't happen.. You should have a moderate lead at least to be doing that shit.. That is the point of my post. It's not a "omg Kayne one shot me hes op" rage post. There's a deeper issue around the circumstance of that one shot, which is what i'm posting about.

SubdueFeb 19, 20186 votes

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Not really ? as you can see at 12-22 mins i was indeed ahead in gold by quite a bit, which is when he killed me, why would i invent it ? i don't hate Kayn, he's my second main as you can see if you look at my profile, i'm not complaining about the champ, i'm just frustrated at how everyone is able to one shot with just an item or 2. i would post a replay but i have no idea how to do it. I was also one shotting once i completed duskblade .. Do you want proof of that too? i'm literally just stating that it isn't fun, not one bit. We both one shot eachother throughout the game, the fact that he did it at one point while being 0-6 is what frustrated me.

What sense would there be in showing frustration over a fake story? :/

Honestly, i don't give a shit about losing.. i really don't care much if i lose or it i win, i'm not complaining because of that, i'm complaining because i'm not having fun in a game with overloaded damage. Someone should have a decent lead to one shot you.. that's all i'm saying... Nasus should have a decent lead if he's gonna be a raid boss and run down towers. That Nasus ended up 1-12 at like 30 min, and no one or two people could deal with him. it took 3-5 people every time ... How is it fair? Damage is just out of hand and making the game unfun/unfair.. i could accept a fed Nasus doing this, but a 1-12 Nasus, with average/decent farm.. Being raid boss status.. Is just unacceptable ... So is being one shot by people who are behind, it shouldn't happen.. You should have a moderate lead at least to be doing that shit.. That is the point of my post. It's not a "omg Kayne one shot me hes op" rage post. There's a deeper issue around the circumstance of that one shot, which is what i'm posting about.

I'm not going to speculate on why you're making your story up. However, the numbers don't lie. Even between 12 and 22 minutes, your gold lead barely reaches 600g,and even then just for a few minutes.

koshkyraFeb 19, 20181 votes

You say "your story is made up because it never goes beyond 500" and then also say "it reaches 600, but only for a few minutes!!!"

Wtf

SubdueFeb 19, 20181 votes

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You say "your story is made up because it never goes beyond 500" and then also say "it reaches 600, but only for a few minutes!!!"

Wtf

I eyeballed the chart for my original post. When he doubled down on his claim I went back, looked at it again, and then confirmed my findings.

I'm not sure what's confusing about that for you, but you can check his op.gg and see for yourself.

KnifeCatFeb 19, 20181 votes

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You say "your story is made up because it never goes beyond 500" and then also say "it reaches 600, but only for a few minutes!!!"

Wtf

i never even once said my gold lead was over 500, all i said was i had a gold lead, i dunno how it makes my story fake because it wasn't over 500/600?? seems like he's the one making stuff up

SubdueFeb 19, 20183 votes

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i never even once said my gold lead was over 500, all i said was i had a gold lead, i dunno how it makes my story fake because it wasn't over 500/600?? seems like he's the one making stuff up

"We had similar cs, he had like 105, i had 113, or something. He had duskblade, i was on my way to my second item so i was definitely ahead in gold..

I really didn't think much of it when it happened.. Till i clicked on the scoreboard and seen he was 0-6, and down a level and almost a full item. You might say i was pretty squishy also, but regardless, you used to be able to survive burst if they were extremely behind.."

You claim that you were almost an item ahead and that he was" extremely behind."

KnifeCatFeb 20, 20181 votes

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"We had similar cs, he had like 105, i had 113, or something. He had duskblade, i was on my way to my second item so i was definitely ahead in gold..

I really didn't think much of it when it happened.. Till i clicked on the scoreboard and seen he was 0-6, and down a level and almost a full item. You might say i was pretty squishy also, but regardless, you used to be able to survive burst if they were extremely behind.."

You claim that you were almost an item ahead and that he was" extremely behind."

HAHAHA you are literally beyond stupid. I'm sorry, but damn.

i claimed he was extremely behind? no, if you paid any attention to what i said, "you used to be able to survive burst if they were extremely behind" this is a seperate point that has nothing to do with that game. i'm talking about past seasons, but even so i would say i was pretty damn ahead, at least when i checked the scoreboard.

secondly, yes i was almost an item ahead, I had dirk and 2 short swords towards ghostblade. He had only duskblade. That doesn't mean i said i was "more than 500/600" gold ahead, perhaps he had gold in his pocket and hadn't bought yet, maybe that's why i was almost an item up? do you even think? not all gold is spent gold lmao. i said I WAS UP IN ITEMS, NOT GOLD. Holyyyy, please use your brain, before you attempt to belittle people's posts, accusing them of having a "fake story" when you're just spouting nonsense and using half a brain in your logic.

SubdueFeb 20, 20181 votes

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HAHAHA you are literally beyond stupid. I'm sorry, but damn.

i claimed he was extremely behind? no, if you paid any attention to what i said, "you used to be able to survive burst if they were extremely behind" this is a seperate point that has nothing to do with that game. i'm talking about past seasons, but even so i would say i was pretty damn ahead, at least when i checked the scoreboard.

secondly, yes i was almost an item ahead, I had dirk and 2 short swords towards ghostblade. He had only duskblade. That doesn't mean i said i was "more than 500/600" gold ahead, perhaps he had gold in his pocket and hadn't bought yet, maybe that's why i was almost an item up? do you even think? not all gold is spent gold lmao. i said I WAS UP IN ITEMS, NOT GOLD. Holyyyy, please use your brain, before you attempt to belittle people's posts, accusing them of having a "fake story" when you're just spouting nonsense and using half a brain in your logic.

Oh for fuck sakes you're really going to continue with this ruse. Okay.

Kayn first kills you at 18 minutes and you get the kill on him too.

Before your fight your score was 2-2, not 4-1, and his score was 0-4, not 0-6.

At that point in the game, you had : Duskblade, Ninja Tabis, Serrated Dirk, Long Sword.

He had : Dusk Blade, Mobility Boots, Caulfield's Hammer, Poachers Dirk (Possibly already Serrated Dirk).

Mind you this is assuming that you made your 18 minute buy before your fight, and he made his after. If vice versa, then add a Long Sword to his, and take a Serrated Dirk and a Long Sword from yours.

Either way, he's either even with you on items or he's slightly ahead.

None of this is a mystery. We can see it all in the logs of the game. I don't understand why you feel the need to lie about this stuff lol.

KnifeCatFeb 19, 20181 votes

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I'm not going to speculate on why you're making your story up. However, the numbers don't lie. Even between 12 and 22 minutes, your gold lead barely reaches 600g,and even then just for a few minutes.

Once again, what is your point? that doesn't make my story fake lmao, i didn't want to expose you, but i'm sorry i never once said i has "more than a 600g lead" i just stated i had a lead, which is true. Why are you implying that i ever said i had a bigger gold lead? who's making stuff up now?

DracocrashFeb 20, 20181 votes

you

Karn BishopFeb 20, 20181 votes

Honestly gotta say those numbers should be disturbing to you not reassuring you that op is somehow wrong, in that game he was 3-4 kills to kayns zero kills and several deaths to the enemy team by the 15 minute mark and was consistently behind in farm vs the rengar and he managed to maintain a 500 gold disparity and that does not bother you at all?

Feel ApathyFeb 20, 20181 votes

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Honestly gotta say those numbers should be disturbing to you not reassuring you that op is somehow wrong, in that game he was 3-4 kills to kayns zero kills and several deaths to the enemy team by the 15 minute mark and was consistently behind in farm vs the rengar and he managed to maintain a 500 gold disparity and that does not bother you at all?

If OP has no idea how to keep up in farm and not waste his time on unsuccessful ganks then the Kayn deserves to catch up and be ahead.

4 kills is just an early game lead which can quickly fall flat if the team comp is inconsistent and has no synergy later on.

MarshbouyFeb 19, 20189 votes

Comes out of wall in my jg and one shots me in an instant, despite me being full hp, a whole level/ + multiple kills ahead... i didn't even have time to flash..

replay please. edit: what was the cs/gold disparity?

KnifeCatFeb 19, 20182 votes

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replay please. edit: what was the cs/gold disparity?

We had similar cs, he had like 105, i had 113, or something. He had duskblade, i was on my way to my second item so i was definitely ahead in gold..

I'm not complaining about the champ, a lot of champs are doing this, i think the item combined with new runes give it an insane powerspike once you complete it. Electrocute + duskblade proc dmg is huge! Furthermore it isn't just duskblade users, almost everyone is getting huge damage spikes after just an item. One/two items combined with the overtuned dmg coming from runes makes those one/two item spikes massive.

mack9112Feb 19, 20185 votes

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replay please. edit: what was the cs/gold disparity?

I agree would like replay

JabaTheHatFeb 19, 20189 votes

Lol how is this being upvoted?

Even something as un-founded as this gets up there...

Glory97Feb 19, 20186 votes

This post doesn't promote any constructive discussion. It's not even an argument. It takes individual experiences from a single game, that is generously exagerated with the conclusion that the game balance is bad. Yes I agree that some recent balance changes are rather questionable, but how can people upvote such a unconstructive post.

GripaAviaraFeb 20, 20181 votes

Frustration. The game needs a very massive balance atm and people are frustrated and for a good reason. Atm, in game with the damage there is a fed lane will throw all the game out the window, and with matchmaking being as it is, it just deepens the frustation

CosnirakFeb 19, 20185 votes

Literally everyone is one shotting,

Just no. Even if I agree with your point why would you trash your own thread with a line like that?

Brain Errör 404Feb 19, 20181 votes

Because literally is just used as emphasis these days and does not literally mean literally. So, in context, bar to the standards, he is correct. Literally everyone is one shotting now.

Bot lane:

Leona lvl 3 -> full combo approxiamtely 55-60% of your health (as an adc or squishy support) is gone. Sona lvl 3 -> empowered auto + Q = 40-45% of your health gone (as an adc or squishy support). Janna lvl 3 -> Q + W + A with Aery = approximantely 35-40% of your health gone (as an adc or squishy support). Nami lvl 3 -> Full combo + 1 auto, case Q+W+E auto, = 40-45% of your health gone (as an adc or squishy support). Alistar lvl 3 -> Full combo + stacked E = 45-50% of your health gone (as an adc or squishy support) Zyra lvl 3 -> full combo with 3 min plant DPS = 1 shot Brand lvl 3 -> full combo = 70-75% of your health gone (as an adc or squishy support)

Notice that I'm not even factoring in ADC damage here. Just think about that for a second.

I only touched on supports because they're suppose to be ENABLES yet they're the ones CHUNKING you for all of your health. And the tank ones at that. Then you have mid lane with poke mages sending skills out 24/7 that don't have any mana issues. You can only dodge so much and have no opportunity to strike back because they have no mana issues (especially if they have mana flow band). There's so many things we can touch on as an issue for this game, it's not funny.

CosnirakFeb 19, 20181 votes

Even taken as mere emphasis it's hilariously wrong. Even ignoring that you're repeatedly listing "full combos" and calling them one shots it's hilariously wrong. Even assuming all that and allowing that no matter the number of hits, if it all happens nearly at the same moment it's ok call it a "one shot" it's still hilariously wrong.

Literally everyone is one shotting now.

Proceeds to list a bunch of FULL COMBOS that even by your own numbers are doing 35-75% of someone's hp. You and the op are trying to murder the meaning of words it seems. I understand emphasis and even exaggeration, but you're just flat out lying at some point, a point which you both more than crossed.

Brain Errör 404Feb 20, 20181 votes

At which point am I lying? One shots, by definitions of most mobas, means a full ROTATION. It's not an actual "1 hit 1 kill" thing. That's not what the definition of one shots are in mobas.

Nobody is "killing" definition of words when it's the actual definition. The only thing I touched on was supports that are chunking you for 40% MINIMUM or more of your health after level 3. And those are mostly just enchanters/tanks. League doesn't do actual "one shots". So talking about those are as moot a point as anything. Back in season 4/5 you could take 2-3 full on alistar or leona combos and live if the adc wasn't positioned properly and not die. Now, you get caught out once you either base or get poked out from under your tower before the inevitable dive happens.

But, that still doesn't mean a large cast of people in this game aren't one shotting or bursting people to oblivion.

CosnirakFeb 20, 20181 votes

One shots, by definitions of most mobas, means a full ROTATION.

No it doesn't, you're just claiming this. There is no official definition besides the literal meaning, so everything else is whatever each individual decides. There absolutely is not a consensus on this. The only consensus seems to be that saying stuff like this is sensational nonsense designed to drive upvotes.

40% MINIMUM or more

Janna lvl 3 -> Q + W + A with Aery = approximantely 35-40%

[sg-ahri-3]

League doesn't do actual "one shots". So talking about those are as moot a point as anything.

Then stop talking about them in regards to League. Just call things what they are so as to avoid confusion and sensationalism. All this sensationalism crap drives away quality discussion and just leads to nonsense exaggerated claims with no evidence and no usefulness beyond venting.

Brain Errör 404Feb 20, 20181 votes

Dude, go ask anyone what a "one shot" is in league of legends. Like holy shit, just type in one shots in league of legends so you can see so for yourself what one shots are. Aside from the very fed scenario cases, you'll see ONE ROTATION included in most of those montages.

CosnirakFeb 20, 20181 votes

Just because you think most people agree with you doesn't mean they do. Those montage videos you're talking about are sensationalist crap and do not change the meaning of words for everyone else. Some of those sorts of videos even use such terms ironically. I'm not trying to deny that some people use it the way you are. But you seem to think I'm the only one who thinks about it the way I do. I'm not the only one.

The original post of this thread is extremely exaggerated sensationalism and people from Riot have repeatedly made it clear that they generally don't respond to such things, and if they do it's just to correct the clearly factually incorrect assertions made.

Also, trying to redefine "literally" to mean "exaggeration" is hilariously ironic and stupid and I just felt the need to point that out again. It's like trying to redefine "up" as "down."

Brain Errör 404Feb 20, 20181 votes

It must be VERY hard to do google searches:

https://imgur.com/a/QFZAE

Stop trying to sound like a smart ass, when you're not. I don't seem to "think" anything. I'm telling you how the words are used in a widespread manner, and instead of taking the knowledge and further increasing the way you think, you decide to remain simple minded. That's on you. You can feign ignorance, but don't try to down play me here and come here trying to make me seem like an idiot. If you still want to argue, I really have nothing else to say to you.

You've just been disproved, TWICE. Yet you're calling me stupid? And yes, you did. Albeit indirectly.

CosnirakFeb 20, 20181 votes

That's once, not twice, the first time you proved nothing, I even googled "one shot" yesterday to double check and I googled "literal" but not "literally."

Also I must say I am a bit shocked that that shows up in a google search as that for literally. That really bothers me. It's the opposite of its meaning, which the first part of the definition shows. I mean it even has to describe it as "while not being literally true." Why is a word an antonym of itself? What kind of crap is this where up as emphasis for down is accepted?

I've spent years telling people that complaining about young folks making the world worse is wrong and stupid and everything seemingly new and scary isn't really either. Today is the day I officially reach crochety old man status. Fuck the kids and their bullshit, the world is going to hell in a handbasket, and not the good kind of hell with partying, the bad kind with nuclear winter. Go be stupid somewhere else, get off my planet!

Brain Errör 404Feb 20, 20181 votes

The word gained it's meaning, or rather lost it, years ago. In formal writing, it still holds its place, but when I took a literature class some time back we went over semantics. Words are just symbols used to convey and express feelings. Therefore, as long as a majority of people come in compliance or agreement with the meaning of words, the words will change in meaning and definition.

So while that won't be true to each word individually, more complex and overused words will start losing or gaining added definitions. So, in actuality, you can start using "up" is a downer emotion and change the simplicity of the word into a more negative thing IF you can get people to universally agree with your usage. Which goes into the same "one shot" issue I talked about earlier.

But, aside from that I'll correct what I said the first time, which may be why we both entered a pointless argument anyways:

Literally doesn't only mean literally.

TrollmanshipFeb 19, 20181 votes

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Just no. Even if I agree with your point why would you trash your own thread with a line like that?

Lemme fix it

Literally everyone viable is one shotting

Madsin25Feb 19, 20184 votes

We all know. Riot does not give two shits.

If you are not one shotting you are a liability to the team. Makes me sick.

The Blue RajahFeb 20, 20184 votes

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

AmazoXFeb 19, 20183 votes

0-6 any character in this Meta should be utterly useless because how quickly games are decided. Could you please link a video of that happening? I'd like to see it.

Brain Errör 404Feb 19, 20181 votes

That's how it use to be. Now you have to be weary even now...

DragonSheaFeb 19, 20183 votes

The balance team needs to get SLAPPED!

SõnaFeb 19, 20181 votes

item 3151 literally outclass most of the poke support if he rush liandry after item 3311 I feel scared to play summoner rift if enemy has a brand.

BOOTYLOVER69696Feb 19, 20181 votes

play karma

Iffy JarlFeb 20, 20181 votes

Can we stop posts like these, this is why no one takes the boards seriously

Troll for TrumpFeb 20, 20181 votes

Kayn scenario is sketchy.

Nasus isn't, provided he's given free farm, which is more of a comp issue in most cases. Brand supp is definitely realistic. It's not unusual for a supp to be 2 lvls down, and Brand is more than capable of blowing things up, on account of how his kit works.

Point still holds:

Things do too much damage.

Feel ApathyFeb 20, 20181 votes

The guy played rengar with mobi boots and 5 AD items and is wondering why a Kayn doing the same although with 6 damage items kills him easily

Just because a person is 1-7 doesn't mean he also doesn't have a proper build/gold to be on even terms.

The nasus in question is full build and OP's wondering "HOW CAN NASUS 1v2?!" when all he did was probably kill OP and run away from a support chasing him..

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