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for how strong Braum's passive is, I can't say it feels sufficiently fair to play against

Big Lincoln··1 votes·803 views

particularly when mid-end game comes around, but really any point in the game provided he's got the right teammate(s). writing this because I've been spamming Braum to fix my MMR curse this season and he feels really under-radar nuts, actually disgusting how good he is

He's great at setting up picks with his ranged Q and peeling/disrupting with ult, good at eating ranged harass with shield, but then he's also got his passive, where it's basically guaranteed you're gonna get stunned if you're near him at all. I had a Fizz E my ult, Q away from my Q to get on my ADC, so then I'd just W back to them and auto Fizz and just like that, all his actual skill expression put into avoiding my peel, out the door because I right clicked him, so what should have been a clean kill turned into him trading himself for my much-less-fed ADC after being collapsed on and gibbed before the stun wears off.

i can't say braum feels fair to play against, he counters so much and gets countered by so little. dont feel like either iteration of PBE nerfs are addressing the real problem. lol

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Venompaw3 votes

I'd rather play against braum than brand.

Any AP support is a lot more hazardous than Brand to play against.

Big Lincoln1 votes

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I'd rather play against braum than brand.

Any AP support is a lot more hazardous than Brand to play against.

dont agree, brand is vulnerable to being bursted. braum is borderline invincible and makes a carry untouchable

Draehl1 votes

I really don't understand all the hate on defensive supports lately. Half the champs in the game are able to end each other in 2 seconds flat. Often from invisibility or while invulnerable. But that's just fine. Nobody complains. You try to play something to help shut down the stupid levels of damage and THAT is what starts raising eyebrows? Not Kha'zix, Shaco, Fizz, Kai'sa, Swain, Yi, etc. Not singling you out or anything, but I've seen similar complaints lately in the vein of 'how dare you not roll over and die to my almighty damage?' which just reeks of some strange sense of kill entitlement.

Don't get me wrong- Braum, Lulu, & Janna are all especially strong right now, but hardly anyone questions the broader environment of how stupid damage output is relative to the health of most champions. Raise max HP or lower damage output and these hyper defensive skills, heals, etc. can get a well deserved nerf. Until then they're rather unfortunately necessary in this blender meta.

Big Lincoln1 votes

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I really don't understand all the hate on defensive supports lately. Half the champs in the game are able to end each other in 2 seconds flat. Often from invisibility or while invulnerable. But that's just fine. Nobody complains. You try to play something to help shut down the stupid levels of damage and THAT is what starts raising eyebrows? Not Kha'zix, Shaco, Fizz, Kai'sa, Swain, Yi, etc. Not singling you out or anything, but I've seen similar complaints lately in the vein of 'how dare you not roll over and die to my almighty damage?' which just reeks of some strange sense of kill entitlement.

Don't get me wrong- Braum, Lulu, & Janna are all especially strong right now, but hardly anyone questions the broader environment of how stupid damage output is relative to the health of most champions. Raise max HP or lower damage output and these hyper defensive skills, heals, etc. can get a well deserved nerf. Until then they're rather unfortunately necessary in this blender meta.

? im the one playing braum, spamming him right now. read the op

have you considered that just because this is what they're meant to do doesn't mean they're doing it too well atm? braum is currently a god tier pick, especially in comp where he's like 1 of 3 or 4 supports being played at all. especially for how little these champs actually have to put into playing compared to higher skill cap champions like master yi and swain, every enchanter in the game bar nami is a mindless stat-ball and Braum might as well passively provide immunity to whichever carry he shacks up next to

braum and tahm are egregious because braum is both solidly anti-assassin/anti-diver/anti-melee while also having a more than sufficient answer to poke and long-range nukes with his E. tahm just has no counterplay at all which is what has driven people up the wall since his release, that he can just casually eat his ADC and save them from almost any situation they wind up in. alistar, same story, majority of champs can't avoid his WQ or his followup E stun.

Draehl1 votes

Agreed 100% they are doing their job too well. That said, my point is that a very large portion of damage dealers are doing their job even better and are deserving even larger nerfs. But because it's a broader systemic problem affecting dozens of champions it's easier for everyone to point at a handful of supports that are keeping the roof from collapsing, rather than looking at the broader damage imbalance that is highlighting why these supports are so effective.

Not that I have a particular dog in the defensive support fight. I'm pretty much a Bard one-trick but the damage imbalance is clear from there, too. I can pack Electrocute, Lich Bane, etc. and often enough solo the enemy ADC or chunk them for half their health at level 1. Try to build defensively to be more of a selfless mid-line stunbot/flanker/peeler and the tank items barely make you any more durable to play that role.

Riot has so massively biased the game towards everyone imploding one another that any sort of outlier that breaks up the killfest is the one seen as being broken. It's rather sad TBH.

Edit: Sorry if I sounded harsh in the prior post. Very frustrated with this meta right now.

Kaìju2 votes

% health damage. He's a tank, it isn't that insane.

Big Lincoln1 votes

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% health damage. He's a tank, it isn't that insane.

he's overpowered atm, and his absurd lack of counters is starting to show.

% damage is anti-bruiser, not anti-tank

Kaìju4 votes

Vayne, Kog, Varus, all anti tank carries with % max health damage.

Brand, Cass, Sol, Morg, all mages with constant damage that either can't be mitigated well, or CC that he is forced to eat if he wants to block shots.

meowwow71 votes

the only one that would be good is vayne because the other 2 can be reduced by mr or yet item 3194 but aoe ground effects that don't start as projectile are good for against him

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