To the dev who reverted the nunu changes

It was PBE changes they reverted.

Where do you think Kindred's power level really is?

Her win rate just spiked, her play rate is pretty low, and her win curve suggests she's one of the hard to learn champs. Making things harder to judge, her damage output is lower than a bot ADC being played in the jungle but she has a lot of good matchups according to champion.gg.

Kindred seems like one of those champions that's very powerful, but narrow.

Build them wrong, skill the wrong abilities, or use the wrong runes/masteries, and their narrow margins kick in and they under perform.

Their gameplay seems very rigid and like it punishes deviation very hard.

Then would it be a bad idea to give Kindred 50 extra range on her autoattacks(making it 550)? Just curious.

You folks may not have large plans for Kindred, but I hope you still manage to read this.

===General=== I'd very much like to see Kindred function more as a co-operative unit rather than Lamb doing 90% of the work and Wolf showing up to say "hi" every now and then. Additionally, I think Kindred is currently far too reliant on stacks from their passive. I think they would be much easier to balance (and satisfying to play) if some their power was shifted towards item purchases instead.

On that same note, it would be nice to have a clearer idea of what I should buy while playing Kindred. It's nice that they can build pretty much anything, but I sometimes find myself saying "oh god, what do I buy here".

===Q=== I don't really have any complaints about how Dance of Arrows works. It's good utility, especially when combined with W, though (again) you may fall behind on your Marks and be stuck with no actual scaling for the rest of the game.

===W=== I've tried everything in my power to make Kindred's W an impactful spell, but I just can't do it. To reach 2.5 attack speed (which translates to 1.25 for Wolf), you sacrifice all meaningful damage. Building full AD makes each of Wolf's individual attacks almost relevant, but it hinders Lamb's desire to fire rapid auto-attacks and makes her insanely squishy. The only other source of damage is from Mark of the Kindred, which can be a very unreliable source of power.

I'm not entirely sure what to do with this ability, but I'd like to see Wolf attack faster, more often, and deal more damage. Perhaps you could decrease his scaling from Mark of the Kindred (40% > 10% or 20%?), but allow him to apply on-hit effects or something. With it's current functionality though, it never feels like it's doing anything.

===E=== In my opinion, Mounting Dread should be renamed to "Mounting Frustration". The skill is as feast or famine as it gets, you either land the 3 stacks and deal a decent amount of damage or the skill achieves absolutely nothing (aside from a very brief slow). I usually find it very difficult to secure that third hit on a marked target, which makes the skill feel like a waste of mana in most cases. The fact that Kindred generally wants bruiser items rather than attack speed is the primary cause of this.

I would very much like to see Wolf contribute to Mounting Dread in a more meaningful way. Some ideas include allowing him to:

-contribute to the 3 stack effect (increase the total stack requirement by 1 or 2 to compensate) OR -prioritize targets marked by Mounting Dread while W is active, dealing a small amount of % max health damage on each attack OR -make Wolf attack on each added stack, dealing more damage on each subsequent attack, with the final one dealing the full % max health value

===R=== As with Q, I don't have many complains about Lamb's Respite. I'm still pretty bad at timing it properly, but that's due to lack of practice. I guess the only thing I can mention is that it can be extremely impactful for the wrong reasons, the AoE generally becomes a horribly-messy street fight where it can be hard to keep track of everything because of how clumped up everyone is. It's like fighting a J4 ult, but everyone wants to be in it.

THANK YOU I thought i was the only one experiencing that. I even bought the zombie Nunu skin and even when i get my team fed or me fed as nunu HE SUCKS SO BADLY LATE GAME that it is a joke how any one can even play nunu. Ap nunu is strong at the start but by mid and late game get ready to get deleted in a instant. The part I hate the most is in his couple of patch that feature nunu for some reason he get's a buff but at the same time has to compensate for it even thought with the buff he still sucks MID/late game. This buff he was going to get was so needed but I don't get why it was reverted...... I don't see Riot B.S lee sin buff getting reverted, I get to see the B.S reason why he is even getting a buff "He wasn't played a lot this split"..... Seriously we don't see LEE SIN FOR HALF A SPLIT and he gets buff instantly for world but for who never saw more then 5 plays in 7 years of LCS/LCK/EU he doesn't deserve a buff, Only person i see who can even play him was IwillDominate and that was even hard for him to handle too into late game.

Aah that makes sense thanks for the explanation