PSA Upgraded Yellow trinket is OP

KilljoyX··44 votes·3,031 views

A ward is 75 gold. Yellow trinket upgrade generates one every 60S. Assuming you'd want as many wards as possible (You do) this means the yellow trinket generates 1.25 gold per second or 6.25 gold per 5.

Upgraded yellow trinket is OP.

49 Comments

Slamurai Jack13 votes

I actually like the upgraded pink trinket. Being able to both deny and gain vision with 1 trinket is really nice.

The Lexer12 votes

I'd rather buy an upgraded yellow and just grab a pink instead. Since the pink can survive longer if placed correctly its less of a pain to try to get the map warded up

Wheatloaf19 votes

Pink trinket is pretty great late game when you don't have an item slot, so long as other people on your team upgrade yellow. Which they don't. So in about 20 years we can start using pink trinket. Goddammit.

XLC2 votes

No one in yolo queue will ever buy wards. Ever.

What Is Smite2 votes

I'm a jungle main, every time I back I try to get 1 ward with me to help my team. When I can after lvl 9 i try to upgrade my trinket for the low investment of 250 gold for trinket sightstone, this in turn has helped me and my team call out ganks to each other and win many games. Warding is about 75% of the game

XLC2 votes

Maybe I should've said 'No one else in yolo queue will ever buy wards.'

What Is Smite1 votes

Fair enough that does make more sense

NinjaFifer2 votes

Here's the thing, if you put it in a place that's likely to be moved through, it's more likely to be seen. If you put it in a less traveled area, it'll last a long time. Having it on a trinket means you can more easily afford to drop it on the high traffic areas, therefore you're more likely to deny vision as well. Dropping a pink is a risk, so having it on a trinket lets you take that risk without much worry.

GenghisEmo1 votes

As ADC or Mid i prefer yellow trinket upgrade. As a Jg or Supp, i will get the pinks to deny vision and get vision while also getting Sightstone. But i will still take a Vision Totem bought separately with me for ADC and Mid. While for Top i will get whatever feels good for the situation. Possibly to ward all the bushes i will get yellow upgrade, but if enemy jg trying to gank from allied jungle, then i will get a pink to have longer lasting vision from the rear flank.

chide da jungler8 votes

It benefits from CDR.

Bet you didn't know that

Remlap12231 votes

Oh great, more Ryze QQs now.

Tails Doll6 votes

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It benefits from CDR.

Bet you didn't know that

IT DOES? HOLY CRAP

junglerboy161 votes

not sure if trolling or secretly an insider on something amazing...

NinjaFifer1 votes

It really shouldn't, since there's a mastery for activated item cdr. Probably a bug.

Aevo 556 votes

It's op, but it's balanced by the ignorance of people that try to carry and assume everybody else on the team is their warding slave.

#SupportLyfe

3tyson2 votes

Its op but no one buys it so w/e

IcyPepper10 votes

why don't you start then?

Be the first of many!

chipndip12 votes

I always upgrade trinks, but since I'm always bot lane, I upgrade sweepers and scrying orbs. So even when I upgrade, it's not an upgraded yellow.

IcyPepper1 votes

Eh, close enough!

Let's just hope mid and top laners (as well as junglers) start upgrading their trinkets as well...

KilljoyX1 votes

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Eh, close enough!

Let's just hope mid and top laners (as well as junglers) start upgrading their trinkets as well...

Considering our ranked team isn't great but we all buy yellow trinkets besides sup and we outward the enemy team by like 40-50 wards we win off vision often.

It's really broken lol.

Does CDR really work on it.

IcyPepper1 votes

I don't think CDR works on trinkets (it did in Urf, tho). It'd be even more broken then!

In higher elos, you'll need more of the pink ward trinkets and/or red trinket upgrades to deny vision, but it's not as useful until other teams are starting to match your levels of warding.

And, oh god, your team wards a shit ton? If you have any open slots (or want some subs) this fall once I go back to college (and can afford more gaming time), I'm going to have to apply.

NinjaFifer1 votes

There's a mastery that gives up to 20% cdr to activated items, second to last tier in support tree. Probably falls into that category.

Shifune2 votes

Yeah, I've recently been trying to remind myself to upgrade my trinket once I hit level 9. Can't tell you how many times I've stopped myself from getting ganked with the extra wards. It's basically like having a sightstone.

XLC2 votes

It's actually better then a sightstone; can generate wards and keep 3 up 24/7 when used efficiently, without backing. item 2049 is really just a shitty item supports have to buy so they can get access to item 3341

Only Play Darius2 votes

100% this.

I cannot tell you how much my game improved once I started warding (especially since my favorite strategy is splitpushing). And the upgraded yellow gives all the advantages of green wards without any of the drawbacks. It's almost too good to be true.

junglerboy162 votes

That's 13 GP10 in gold generating terms.

To put that in perspective, the ambient GP10 on SR is 19.

Ancient coin line generates a maximum (in lane) of 4 GP10.

Relic shield line generates between 8.9 and 13.3 GP10 depending on game time if used to maximum efficiency (and we all know that never happens late game).

Spell thief's edge line generates between 7 and 12 GP10 depending on how much you've upgraded it and how efficiently you use the passive.

Avarice blade generates 3 GP10 and also gives as much as 7-8 GP 10 in a normal lane.

YELLOW TRINKET TOO STRONK!!!

I mean, last match I bought an upgraded yellow trinket and very quickly became one of the wealthiest and most map aware champs in the game, and after convincing my teammates to all upgrade their trinkets (several of which were Yellows) we turned a very close match into a very convincing win.

8726th Tryn NA2 votes

Best PSA ever. I just read what all the trinkets do and holy shit greater totem of stealth is great!

gafratt1 votes

Definitely

iMaB3AST1 votes

Lately, I've been getting the upgraded yellow trinket as soon as i can instead of getting a sightstone (as a support). Is it a good idea or is it bad idea?

DrathTurtle3143 votes

If you buy enough pocket wards to keep the lane warded prior to level 9, then you should be alright. Most of the time you buy sightstone for the wards + red trinket. Using green trinket upgrade means you don't have red trinket, which means you can't deny vision as effectively. If you buy pinks though and move them according to the objective you are currently working on, it can still be effective to buy the green trinket and work around that. Also sightstone is available sooner.

iMaB3AST1 votes

I usually buy wards and pinks when i can/have slots available. I think that if ppl can spend 250g on a trinket, no support would need to buy a sightstone. The trinkets were originally design to help everyone ward and help u ward even when u have full build. (imo)

Lil Gr33n Ghouls1 votes

I always upgrade trinkets no matter what role i am. I try to time my back for a 1st\2nd core item (depends on role and build) to be at lvl 9 or 10 for trinket.

KilljoyX1 votes

The item is mathmatically and numerically OP and has infinite invisible (or visible) power.

Nicorus 1 votes

PSA Upgraded trinkets are OP, You should really never only get one upgraded trinket. There are so many possibilities with trinkets that people don't pay attention too. for example getting the upgraded pink trinket you can protect yourself from invisible enemies, or catch akali or shaco when they're trying to escape. they all have different applications and there isn't 1 correct trinket to always use.

SociopathFriend1 votes

I'll be happy if the rest of my team just uses the regular yellow trinket past the 10 minute mark or so. I can see how many wards you've placed you know, there's a stat at the end that tells me. If we just finished a 20+ minute game and you've only placed 5 wards? Yeah, that's your own damn fault if we didn't have vision- a Support can only ward 3 places, 4 with a pink- Riot literally gave you a free ward and a portion of the community still can't be bothered to use them.

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

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A ward is 75 gold. Yellow trinket upgrade generates one every 60S. Assuming you'd want as many wards as possible (You do) this means the yellow trinket generates 1.25 gold per second or 6.25 gold per 5.

Upgraded yellow trinket is OP.

Yea but it's balanced by Blue and Red trinket's power, all the trinket upgrades are great buys is the thing and that's intentional since you can't get them right away.

KilljoyX1 votes

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Yea but it's balanced by Blue and Red trinket's power, all the trinket upgrades are great buys is the thing and that's intentional since you can't get them right away.

The upgraded blue trinket is not powerful. The upgraded red is a far nerfed version of an item which was FARRRRRR stronger for very little more gold.

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

Yea but everyone knows oracles was game breakingly good.

And Blue trinket is worth having at least one for team for objective scouting and avoiding being forced to face check.

You forced to choice between short distance/long duration vision, long distance/short duration vision, or vision denial tools.

If your team took all yellow trinkets, you'd likely run into some issues.

KilljoyX1 votes

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Yea but everyone knows oracles was game breakingly good.

And Blue trinket is worth having at least one for team for objective scouting and avoiding being forced to face check.

You forced to choice between short distance/long duration vision, long distance/short duration vision, or vision denial tools.

If your team took all yellow trinkets, you'd likely run into some issues.

With the exception of the support and possible sight stone jungles (nunu) who can go sweeper even the ADC can go yellow upgraded. The reason for this is it's simply impossible to sweep out 18 (15+3 pinks) wards if everyone caps out. You can infer where they are and check with skill shots even if they clear the pit. Additionally scuttler exists further denying sneak ability.

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

Sure entirely but to force a face check you only need to control key areas which item 2043 item 3364 are very good at doing.

Which why item 3364 and item 3363 have a better win rate currently.

KilljoyX1 votes

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Sure entirely but to force a face check you only need to control key areas which item 2043 item 3364 are very good at doing.

Which why item 3364 and item 3363 have a better win rate currently.

http://champion.gg/champion/Sivir/ADC

Nope. Highest win rate is yellow trinket.

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

uhh you're using one champion with sub-100 trinket choices from win rate?...

Information from http://www.lolking.net/items/ is where I pulled from which offered far more data.

KilljoyX1 votes

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uhh you're using one champion with sub-100 trinket choices from win rate?...

Information from http://www.lolking.net/items/ is where I pulled from which offered far more data.

Well there's your problem.

You're using Lolking which is all elos for items.

Pull up every adc in the game on Champion.gg and its a running theme that Yellow>red>blue. There are exceptions for some champs (those with less than 50 games sort of have a low confidence rate.) but only Jinx has a high win rate blue trinket with a reasonable confidence rating (IE >100 games)

I usually buy wards and pinks when i can/have slots available. I think that if ppl can spend 75g on a trinket, no support would need to buy a sightstone. The trinkets were originally design to help everyone ward and help u ward even when u have full build. (imo)

You are aware that if the game goes on for 3 minutes after you buy the yellow trinket then you're ahead. If it goes on for 21 minutes after you hit levle 9 (not hard if you get 9 early and it goes 35 minutes) it generated 525 bonus gold in wards.

The vision differential would need to generate at least 3 kills to equal the 775 gold generated in those 21 minutes. That's not something especially in solo q that happens often. Vision denial is also much less likely than actual vision to prevent deaths.

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

You can filter it down to plat/diamond/etc on lolking for ranked and ELO and I did that and yellow had the worst win rate of the 3 **upgraded **trinkets.

KilljoyX1 votes

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You can filter it down to plat/diamond/etc on lolking for ranked and ELO and I did that and yellow had the worst win rate of the 3 **upgraded **trinkets.

You can't filter by role though. The top win rate is oracles with sight stone because its played on supports which is sort of obvious.

TiberiusAudley1 votes

Every jungler is a sightstone jungler in competitive play.

KilljoyX1 votes

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Every jungler is a sightstone jungler in competitive play.

Except you know Nidalee, Rengar, and the dozens of non tank junglers played a 1-3 times each split.

Dunkrius2g1 votes

Now gl getting them to buy a pink ward.

P.S. I have played for around a year and on ranked, the highest amount of pink wards set down at one given time were 3 (including me). The day where all laners buy a pink ward, means that match can be easily be winnable just from vision. Plat Elo ATM.

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