Darius has more range, more health, more AD, and more defenses than Poppy

PopcornBunni··0 votes·828 views

How is a fighter allowed to be tankier than a tank, with longer range of engagement and more damage, all while only having to build a single item to invalidate anything his opponent can buy?

Buying any armor just makes his item 3071 more gold efficient while throwing away gold of your own, meaning he'll outtrade you until he can ult you from 1/3 health.

You can't buy damage to outdamage him because even at 350 AD, he still deals more at just 290.

Remove total AD scaling from the game on everything but actual basic attack modifiers. If you want to scale with AD you should actually have to buy AD. It's bad enough this cancer character has one of the highest banrates in the game from his obnoxious gameplay, it's all the worse when there is no counterplay outside of "hope you don't have to first pick top so you can pick a ranged character against him."

Every time I lane against this fucker all I can think is "Man it sure would be great if my Q healed me" "Man it sure would be great if I could rip an opponent under my turret/out of theirs from beyond their attack range" "Man it sure would be great if my Ult just deleted people instead of sending them twenty feet back while tickling their nads" "Man it sure would be great if I could build a single item that has no counterbuild."

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420 grams6 votes

So the Dusk blade rush poppy didn't work out?

PopcornBunni

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So the Dusk blade rush poppy didn't work out?

Nor the Frozen Heart Rush, nor the Warmog's Rush, nor Trinity nor Gauntlet.

Any other quips?

420 grams6 votes

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Nor the Frozen Heart Rush, nor the Warmog's Rush, nor Trinity nor Gauntlet.

Any other quips?

You didn't build any armor until 27 mins, and didn't finish the item 31 mins. That's not rushing it.

kaironen1 votes

I usually rush titanic with tabi boots then deadman, but in harder lanes, I would suggest to go tabi/deadman into titanic (yes, titanic is extremely good on her). If you want to go more peal heavy and to just tank up, go for locket instead of titanic, but that's generally my build on her.

Attticus Finch4 votes

Okay, and? Poppy has utility. When Zed is shiting on your ADC for the 27th time, Darius has to just watch. Poppy can actually do something about it.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

to be fair nobody can do anything about zed. he has teleports and not dashes so he can just slip around her and avoid her cc.

Colton1471 votes

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Okay, and? Poppy has utility. When Zed is shiting on your ADC for the 27th time, Darius has to just watch. Poppy can actually do something about it.

Poppy's W doesn't block blinks. ;)

Poppy is basically a troll pick this Pre-season with how weak she is.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

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Poppy's W doesn't block blinks. ;)

Poppy is basically a troll pick this Pre-season with how weak she is.

I guess it's not a troll pick when LCS players picks it, huh.

cough MF Support cough

Leylania4 votes

Wait wait wait, there are actually still people complaining about Darius? The probably most useless Toplane Champ that is in the game right now? Just don't have long trades with him so he can stack his passive on you and if you are melee don't fight him at all and go roaming asap.

If you try to outdamage him as you say you prob completly ignored the passive and then wonder why he stomped you...

AlienPrimate1 votes

I used to complain heavily about Darius but I haven't lost to him since the preseason update.

Well I Say I Win1 votes

The only top laner who is even more worthless is either Volibear or Garen .

I have been having very good success with Garen item 3071 item 3742 item 3142 item 3053 item 3812 item 1001 lately though so I'm not all too sure...

I might be talking old news. Darius definitely got left in the dust with new runes.

Predator is ok, but it's too long of a CD and nothing in Domination tree's lesser runes is even decent. Precision's Press the Attack maybe, but then you have way too much attack speed, not enough tank. Resolve is a big iffy as well. If you go item 3800 + Aftershock you could be a strong tank threat, but if you miss your E you are done-zo. Grasp is not worth. Sorcery is def no-no as a primary. Secondary Celerity + Manaband/Scorch would let you trade way better in lane, but overall only Celerity is worth. Inspiration... is interesting but gimmicky. Darius would only really get Magic Boots. Biscuit Delivery could cause you to win a fight and snowball, but that's too cheese.

If I had to choose a Rune setup for Darius it would probably be:

Resolve: AFTERSHOCK + Unflinching + [Anything] + Second Wind
Precision: LegendAlacrity + Coup de Grace

This gives him the best combination of Attack Speed and Tank that he needs from runes. Any other core stats like Movement Speed and Cooldown Reduction he can get from items.

item 3800 item 3065 item 3742 item 3053 item 3153 item 1001 ? I don't play him so I have no idea if this would be good, but I'd say it's a start. Blade of the Ruined King might not fit in the same build with Righteous Glory. item 3193 item 3075 item 3190 swap one of these out with either RG or BotrK, depending on whether you don't need engage or sticking power.

Ralanr3 votes

I think Poppy E is longer than Darius.

JPLangley3 votes

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PopcornBunni1 votes

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You're in low bronze dude. I suggest getting out before complaining about game balance.

Even if I wasn't, this is a terrible mindset. Game balance applies at all playlevels and this has been accounted for before by riot.

JPLangley3 votes

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PopcornBunni1 votes

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So...what you're saying is game balance should take into account that some players are literally below placement level?

To an extent yes. I don't know the exact numbers, but I've seen thrown around a bit that about half of league players just play normals without a rank. Add on top of that ~75% of ranked players are in bronze/silver that means "lower skill level" is the largest player base in the game. Riot knows this, as does any company that has a product that can be played remotely competitively. It's the reason Riot looks at characters like Rzye to try and buff them in ways that primarily impact more casual levels of play even though he's monstrous at higher levels.

gabetheguy1 votes

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To an extent yes. I don't know the exact numbers, but I've seen thrown around a bit that about half of league players just play normals without a rank. Add on top of that ~75% of ranked players are in bronze/silver that means "lower skill level" is the largest player base in the game. Riot knows this, as does any company that has a product that can be played remotely competitively. It's the reason Riot looks at characters like Rzye to try and buff them in ways that primarily impact more casual levels of play even though he's monstrous at higher levels.

I'm sorry, but riot isn't going to balance the game around people that don't know that wards exist. as much as you want it to be that way, I'm sorry but it's just not happening.

gabetheguy2 votes

when a garbage champ kicks your ass so you complain about it on the forums

oh and, if you want to prevent this from happening again, stop making horrible builds. nobody in their right mind rushes duskblade on poppy.

The Oasis1 votes

I thought he was a Juggernaut. Does Riot classify him as fighter secondary? I will say though, Poppy got nerfed to shit so comparing her to any decent fighter or tank isn't entirely fair.

kaironen1 votes

can we not say poppy got nerfed to shit compared to other champs. D: She's still a great champion if you put a lot of time into learning her and all her secret tricks. I 1 trick poppy currently (specifically on my alt account atm, will switch to this account once s8 starts) and it hurts to see people think she is "cancer" or terrible. :(

Rester1 votes

I dont even know anymore. Ever since Riot introduced the Subclass BS it just made identities more confusing for me.

kaironen1 votes

Although darius is very oppressive in the early game vs anything other than range, he doesn't scale well since he has almost 0 utility. Btw, if you are comparing with poppy, Poppy probably has an easier time to get onto people with her e (maybe longer range than his e) and the w ms buff. Also, poppy has a ton of burst if you go item 3748. Probably the main difference is how darius is only there to tank a little and do damage while poppy can peal and dive for a good amount of burst damage.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

hydra poopy? nah man item 3025 every time for the q sheen spam

kaironen1 votes

I personally haven't tried iceborn that much tbh, but it could be better for cc. I just like bursting people and almost 3 shotting them. :) Not to mention, Titanic will give you the wave clear so you don't need to spam abilities or get a sunfire cape.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

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I personally haven't tried iceborn that much tbh, but it could be better for cc. I just like bursting people and almost 3 shotting them. :) Not to mention, Titanic will give you the wave clear so you don't need to spam abilities or get a sunfire cape.

If you are going for damage I'd take item 3078 as that'll give you very strong burst + CDR. Then again you could always build both Trinity + Titanic into tank and be even more annoying lol, but that depends on team comp (or if you had another tank/off-tank to help back up the loss of defensive stats).

But I have tried item 3025 on her and it is a really good item if you wanted some CC + tankyness + decent burst.

kaironen1 votes

Trinity is best if you are jg. The problems with trinity is how you will usually be against a tank at top lane. It is also expensive while not giving as much stats (450 compared to around 200 or 250 hp). Trinity also does not give you wave clear which is usually needed if you are going to play top lane. Titanic helps to take towers faster and it also helps get picks (the ms), but the wave clear, hp, and hp regen out ways the pick potential trinity give (if you actually get the aa reset, trinity and titanic will do about the same dmg, titanic actually might do a little more due to it scaling off hp). You can go for both of the items in your build, but that's usually when you are super fed. There's always more items to try out on poppy, but I've been having a ton of success with my titanic right now.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

top lane Leona gets both of those and it's scary...

ReySolomon1 votes

Why would you pick poppy into darius? Darius is good against melees but since the fervor is gone he isn't that strong anymore so I want you to pick up 3 champions who can beat him...

Vladimir You won't lose this lane, you just q him if he all ins you E W away you can get a kill early so you can rush sorcerer boots to kite/chase easily after that you will want to rush Liandrys because most rush black cleaver even when losing. trust me I haven't lost against a darius as Vladimir before preseason Especially now.

Yorick Not only you are stupid tanky more tanky than darius you do a trillion dmg, if he had already w'd and he's about to q you go inside don't make him hit you with the blade or else he won the trade/possibly kill you but long as you land your e with 3 minions of urs + your ult you will win easily.

Olaf Kled Mordekaiser Zed Akali from what I've seen these champions has had a huge successful in laning against darius. I would mention Swain he was a good pick against darius aswel before preseason but RIP Deathfire touch.

kaironen1 votes

Sometimes, you aren't pick into someone, but he's picking into you. Personally, I never had issue with that lane yet since u can e into his q when he does q so he doesn't heal up. It isn't an easy lane and you do need to play safe but darius does well against a lot of champs atm. Maybe I am a little biased on this topic though since I mainly play tanks at top lane.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Darius's "tankiness" is mainly derived from him being able to hit someone with a Q, as unlike other tanks, he doesn't have any innate durability & is item-dependable for mobility. He's also not a very strong front-liner, as he is very prone to being constantly CC'ed & has no way of getting out of the fight. Worst of all, if a Darius is behind on kills, he's less noticeable in teamfights since the only thing he can provide is a pull & damage.

Poppy on the other hand has natural tankiness from her W, as has multiple ways to cripple the enemies' mobility, such as the slow from her Q, stopping possible dashes from her W &, stunning/catching out enemies with her E & her ult as an engage/giant disengager. She mostly depends on %hp damage from her Q & possible Sunfire build, and yes, unlike Darius's Juggernaut strength, she doesn't provide a lot of damage, but is an excellent tank champ in terms of team utility.

I want to remind you that Darius is not technically a "Tank". He's a Juggernaut, like Illaoi & Yorick. He's meant to deal damage & possibly being sturdy in teamfights if he hits his abilities, while he trades by not having much CC & durability. Poppy is considered an actual Tank, similar to Sion or Maokai, where she deals a significant tons of CC & durability, while having to trade out her damage for it.

kaironen1 votes

if we got into terms of technically being not a tank or being one, then amumu is technically not a tank but a vanguard and Maokai is technically not a tank but a wardan XD. I mean yes, darius is a juggernaut and not a tank, but honestly juggernauts, wardens, and vanguards are all different types of tanks. Also, Where do you find this info in the current client? I searched for it on the internet but I honestly forgot where to find the subclasses in the client.

Poppy provides a ton of damage though, especially with 1 damage item, either trinity or titanic. In most of my games where I play poppy, people are just shocked when I almost 1 shot them with a single e stun combo. Of course, being typical players in a video game, they tend to rage at my champion being broken and that I am low enough to use her to climb lol.

DesolationKaizer1 votes

Juggernauts are fighters, not tanks.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

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if we got into terms of technically being not a tank or being one, then amumu is technically not a tank but a vanguard and Maokai is technically not a tank but a wardan XD. I mean yes, darius is a juggernaut and not a tank, but honestly juggernauts, wardens, and vanguards are all different types of tanks. Also, Where do you find this info in the current client? I searched for it on the internet but I honestly forgot where to find the subclasses in the client.

Poppy provides a ton of damage though, especially with 1 damage item, either trinity or titanic. In most of my games where I play poppy, people are just shocked when I almost 1 shot them with a single e stun combo. Of course, being typical players in a video game, they tend to rage at my champion being broken and that I am low enough to use her to climb lol.

Well technically yes, Tank is a general word which consists of a few subclass. It's just that the word "Tank" most of the time refers to the likes of Poppy & such. Ones who're able to help peel for his teammates while being highly durable & sturdy in teamfights.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

I believe this is the link you're referring to.

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