The game has so much shit that's unenjoyable cancer
that matchup-specific bans are completely out of the question. You can't ban 
as a 
player because there are far more cancerous top laners that your own counter is the least of your problems. Conversely you can't ban 
as either for the very same reasons.
Slythrin Umbreon86 votesDoesn't help that they literally put off giving us 10 bans for so long that we probably needed a few more by the time we even got it. And then they tried to do this half-assed shit where both teams ban blind, to try and cause overlap and steal one of our bans back from us. Because Riot was so butthurt about giving us 10 bans and so against us being able to ban their 'fun' champions every game.
TheSingularity18 votesTo paraphrase "we're doing this because we're afraid some champions, cough yasuo will become perma banned so we'll do some work to help make him more tolerable"
3TWarrior11 voteswhich is funny because yasuo actually achieved a ban rate HIGHER than 100% multiple times XD
SangreDeNoche6 votesTo paraphrase "we're doing this because we're afraid some champions, cough yasuo will become perma banned so we'll do some work to help make him more tolerable"
Next half year of patch notes-
Riot: Everyone looks fine!
Riot: ...
Riot: Actually Yasuo needs a buff.
GigglesO5 votesMaybe they should ust balance his ass?
SociopathFriend2 votesHe's a hated design, that doesn't make him unbalanced.
HeliosTheMoon2 votesIt's just that his passive is so strong. Double your crit chance? So you're telling me I don't need a second crit item to be 100% So I can have way may more damage now?
LordGeovanni2 votesHis design is unbalanced because in order for his design to be balanced they have to reduce all of the stuff he has to around 0.25 second effects (knock up maybe 0.75 for his passive shield and 2 for his W) and not more than a 110 shield just to balance out him having 50% more crit 10% less crit damage isnt hardly enough to balance that
Leto GT16 votes[{quoted}](name=Slythrin Umbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tc9eaAwc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-13T03:40:40.112+0000)
Doesn't help that they literally put off giving us 10 bans for so long that we probably needed a few more by the time we even got it. And then they tried to do this half-assed shit where both teams ban blind, to try and cause overlap and steal one of our bans back from us. Because Riot was so butthurt about giving us 10 bans and so against us being able to ban their 'fun' champions every game.
Blind ban is dumb.
Scuttle1 votesWhat is a different solution that doesn't take forever?
RebeccaUCuber35 votesexactly. When u are forced to not Ban your counter, cos some champs are so annoying tp deal,it's even worse. it's like some champs dont have a REAL counterpick, dont u think?
Kloak57 votesGlances at every CertainlyT champion.
TehNACHO10 votes...I mean, Yas and Zoe have some really shit matchups. Darius and Zyra have been reworked and have their fair share of weaknesses before and after then. Thresh is the only one who doesn't have a true counter but this isn't saying much since he's a generalist in Bot lane, where the 2v2 interactions take precedence over 1 on 1 counters.
Say what you want about CT champs but Yasuo mains cringe at Malzahar and Annie for a reason.
3TWarrior5 voteswell, all of CT's champs are generalists and all have had their problems
Thresh was so powerful that he was the #1 support pick for 2 years before he was nerfed down to the other supports' levels
zyra was apparently a very oppressive champion when she came out but I was not here for that
yasuo would be kassadin levels of ban if he were released in season 3 or earlier where he could stop EVERY skillshot or marksman in the game
zoe can do absolutely everything and punishes you by effectively removing your summoner spells and items while getting free use of them herself from minion drops. She is also the only champion that can drop multiple full damage ignites onto a single opponent. The only thing she does not have is mobility without consequence(as her ult springs her back, but you could also say that it allows her to engage without consequence and extends her effective range by about 500)
#one of the main problems with CT is that he does not design EVERY champion, so those that he does design have advantages over others that can not be matched
HEXXEN9x2 votesWhen your counter has clones lol. Im sure riot planned this ahead of time to render bans null. People dont like playing vs assassins with poke that AlWaYs have an escape ability. Thats a natural thing that riot will probably never get.
ØrnnToGetTrolleÐ20 votes This guy always ints and trolls in my team and on the enemy team he wins 1vs9...........
xxxDogmanxxx8 votesxD Kayn is the new Vayne.
ØrnnToGetTrolleÐ2 votesYou mean Yasuo? xD
xxxDogmanxxx10 votesLet me introduce you to the wonderful sport of Vaynespotting, my friend.
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/memes/4Ig3eAGo-bring-back-vaynespotting
Violet Fields15 votesThe sad part is, all of those are AD champions.
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
Edit: I looked at it right to left, is the only exception here.
KmSneaky16 votesIt's almost like people forgot to mention 
or 
coz unless most of the champions listed before, they have to land skillshots on a regular basis , so there playrate is lower xD
Seriously tho, AD champions have had overtuned kits for quite a while now (4-5 seasons) I just love the fact that players just tend to be worse when they're playing strong champions, it's somehow ridiculous, I mean for example can't miss unless he really fucks up hard since his kit is so simple, yet the proportion of ridiculously bad kayn players is through the roof x)
Zeromatsu5 voteswho still bans zoe with her 46% winrate?
KmSneaky7 votesWho still thinks a bad winrate means a champion is bad? or not worth a ban for that matter.
Zeromatsu4 voteswhat else does it mean?
Champion is winning less games ergo champion is weak/bad. Atleast if you look at the majority of players. Sure there are some players that can play her somewhat good and compensate that weakness, but I doubt you will see them in your games and wasting a ban for this matter when there are better picks just seems weird.
AugustHeatHaze2 voteswell trynd was worth a ban at low levels even while he was bad at highers but thats not really the same deal as zoe so yea i agree with you
people need to stop whining about zoe and all heros in general
HEXXEN9x2 votesOutrageous range beats LeBlanc. Try
. poke her and last hit at the same time the entire laneing phase. Max range q obliterates ;)
Seer of Mind9 votesThe sad part is, all of those are AD champions.
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
Edit: I looked at it right to left,
ad akali is a thing
Sex With Annie10 votesit's almost like you can't ban out everything that poses a threat to you because you want to autowin your lane. take a lap.
mikemcparty5 votes[{quoted}](name=Cobalt Entity,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tc9eaAwc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-13T06:14:46.918+0000)
it's almost like you can't ban out everything that poses a threat to you because you want to autowin your lane. take a lap.
Instead of learning how to play better, we just want to ban out everything that requires some level of brain power to play against.
Bears eat people10 votesInstead of learning how to play better, we just want to ban out everything that requires some level of brain power to play against.
So much brains required to literally oneshotting enemy adc as
Thilmer10 votesThe game has so much shit that's unenjoyable cancer
Half champions here need a total rework or directly shouldn't have been designed that way in the first place.
But you know: the balance team is rubbish and some champion designers are allowed to do whatever thing comes to their minds.
Aamano8 votes10 bans is enough the problem is they way they implement them
Ignoring that people ban the one weird champion that beat them last game isntead of real team issues, its that people can ban the same champion, potentially making 10 bans only 5
and even worse is that people can choose to ban NOBODY, potentially making it even lower than 5
i think it would be much better to go back to the old captain format where one person controls the bans
Hayaishi27 votesXayah?
RyzeTheSmurfMage7 votesYou forgot 
Craktite6 votesThe game could be so much more fun if you delete/ban all champs you said...
rtbf2256182415 votesSince when are Kayn, Urgot and Zed cancer? Or Camille for that matter? I understand Yi or Jhin or Kai'Sa but those guys?
ankoanko193 votesSince when are Kayn, Urgot and Zed cancer? Or Camille for that matter? I understand Yi or Jhin or Kai'Sa but those guys?
Anything that requires me to think more than ''dodge skillshots'' is cancer - boards logic.
Aazzlano6 votes?????????????
Since when has Zed not been cancer??
LEEROY KLEDKINS3 votesThis is why you should main support.
Yeah of course we can't always help you on mid or top but in team fights these guys and gals, Taric, Nami, Lulu, Thresh, Sona, Janna, Soraka Alistar are actually good at disengaging those cancerous champions or saving your ass.
Noor Sakata3 votesPersonal Question , why didn't you put 
in your list? tho it annoys me as someone who mains to see a lot of hate on her
But I'm wondering why didn't you put here there
ZapMyHeart2 votes[{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tc9eaAwc,comment-id=0018,timestamp=2018-10-14T01:57:06.247+0000)
Personal Question , why didn't you put
Probably because Ahri still has very clear cut weakness in her kit and is only truly annoying when the meta shifts to safe mid picks. Her mana costs are pretty high during the laning phase and if you whiff her E, you are pretty much useless if your R is down.
Whereas majority of the champions listed above have some sort of additional "oh shit I dun goffed" button even in worst case scenarios.
Shigure2 votesHigh Mana costs? Her Q costs 65-85 mana based on rank whilst her W and E cost 40 and 70 respectively. Unless your using Q off cd you shouldn't be running out of mana anytime soon considering her mana costs are much lower then champions like Lux, Orianna or Galio who actually have mana problems until lost chapter. And she's up there for the safest laning phase champion in the game once she hits 6. Triple Dash, MS passive which only requires 2 ability hits (aka just her Q) and a 1.4sec charm at rank 1. Her ulti is the definition of an "oh shit i dun goofed" button since majority of the time she is going to have 1 or 2 charges still up after going in and putting herself in a bad situation.
ZapMyHeart1 votesHigh Mana costs? Her Q costs 65-85 mana based on rank whilst her W and E cost 40 and 70 respectively. Unless your using Q off cd you shouldn't be running out of mana anytime soon considering her mana costs are much lower then champions like Lux, Orianna or Galio who actually have mana problems until lost chapter. And she's up there for the safest laning phase champion in the game once she hits 6. Triple Dash, MS passive which only requires 2 ability hits (aka just her Q) and a 1.4sec charm at rank 1. Her ulti is the definition of an "oh shit i dun goofed" button since majority of the time she is going to have 1 or 2 charges still up after going in and putting herself in a bad situation.
It's rather high for the low mana pool she got, considering it's a rather basic skillshot damage ability only. Lux and Orianna got quite a lot of utility in their abilities. Not that it means anything. They could all use a mana buff.
Also, it's like you didn't even read anything I wrote. If her R is down, she is out of luck in actually doing much. Look at the above listed champions. Majority of them has an additional form of mobility or safeguard even if they used up their ult.
Shigure2 votesand you could say the same for a large portion of the champions listed above if their main mobility spell is down. The only one's up there i can agree with is Zed, Talon, Akali and Kha who is situational (Kha needs to reset for an escape). Ahri should have moments of vulnerability where she can be ganked or caught since she has 3 dashes on a fairly short CD (which goes down as far as 44sec late game). And it's not like she can't do anything when her ults down 20% ms on a 9sec cd with a 1.4 sec charm is plenty to protect yourself when your ult's down. A large portion of mid laners only have 1 CC ability and no Mobility spell to protect themselves with (Lux, Veigar, Syndra, Vel'Koz to name a few).
ZapMyHeart1 votesand you could say the same for a large portion of the champions listed above if their main mobility spell is down. The only one's up there i can agree with is Zed, Talon and Kha who is situational (Kha needs to reset for an escape). Ahri should have moments of vulnerability where she can be ganked or caught since she has 3 dashes on a fairly short CD (which goes down as far as 44sec late game). And it's not like she can't do anything when her ults down 20% ms on a 9sec cd with a 1.4 sec charm is plenty to protect yourself when your ult's down. A large portion of mid laners only have 1 CC ability and no Mobility spell to protect themselves with (Lux, Veigar, Syndra, Vel'Koz to name a few).
Yeah...no. Ahri's mobility is tied to her R, which has your standard cooldown. Her passive relies on actually hitting her enemies x2, adding on skill cap, and making it very unlikely to be used all the time either. She burns her R and she's screwed. Charm's skillshot hitbox is small as well. Whiff it and you're doubly screwed. Meanwhile, other non AP champions who has mobility + defense don't need to aim. And to be fair, with a lot of mobility in this game, if she is caught without her ult, she's dead meat anyways, even with her E.
Meanwhile, the ones listed above.
More than 1 mobility skill outside of ult: Akali: W, E, and R. Graves: E, and R Kaisa: E and R Kayn: Q and E Kha'Zix: E and R Yi: Q and R Pike: W, E, and R Talon: Q, E, R Zed: W and R
The others have 1 mobility + a form of shield or other type of non-skillshot defense: Camille: E and Passive Irelia: Q and W/E Yasuo: Passive, W, E, R Jax: Q and E/R
Only 3 on there either has 1 type of mobility or none: Xayah: R Sion: R Jhin: Reload passive
Shigure2 votesYeh her passive is real hard to proc... requiring only 2 hits from 3 abilities which hit multiple times (2x on Q, 3X on W, 3x on R) 2 of them prioritising champions, and the one which isn't a multi-hit almost guaranteeing another ability will hit to proc it anyway. It's almost impossible for Ahri not to proc it in a trade or when ganked as she simply needs to press W and/or Q to proc it. Charms hit-box is standard hit-box and as i said as a champion with a triple dash she should be vulnerable when her mobility spell is down and she misses her CC.
Ok onto the champs you listed.
You specified more then 1 mobility skill without ult then listed Ult as the 2nd mobility spell for half of them so can ignore Graves,Kai'sa, Kha'Zix, Yi, Zed for the sake of this argument (and Kayn doesn't count to begin with since he uses both in his engage and both are horrid forms of escape). The rest i can agree with, Talon and Akali are too safe and Pyke is getting nerfed next patch specifically because of how easily he escapes once in with the tank build however he also uses all of the above for engage so eh goes either way. You also have to factor in that majority of these are melee and have to go into melee range to do anything so are much more risky then a champ that stays at 550+ range whenever possible.
For the 1 mobility + shield or non skill-shot defense you can add Ahri to that since she gets a heal from her Q as that's a form of sustain same as a shield.
Honestly it seems like your argument is Ahri is fair because she is vulnerable when her mobility spell is down whilst all these champs are not whilst almost all of them are in a much riskier situation assuming their mobility spell is down and have a much weaker form of mobility/escape then Ahri and her triple dashes in the first place.
What if we had, like the Free Week rotation, there was a sort of "Free Week" of bans. Based on the previous weeks top bans the 10 with the highest are banned thus leaving you with 10 more bans.
Perhaps just in ranked or whatever. I feel this would allow players to experience more than the usual 5 champions of the 140+ currently in the game. Even with this, 120 champions is still a LOT of options.
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Séance4 votesI pity anyone that one tricks a champion and then gets that champ banned for a week straight.
