Games are too snowbally and Towers are made of candy floss

PopcornBunni·Dec 3, 2017·134 votes·2,861 views

If you back or die while your opponent is in lane, your tower falls.

If a tower falls, minions automatically push and snowball that lane while the winning laner spreads their win to the others with impunity.

The losing team gets more behind, and towers toss raisins at enemies as an annoyance at best.

There is no catchup. There is no play safe and farm. There is no time to get to a late game. Comebacks only happen in bronze when teams throw, and even then in only 1% of games.

Offensive characters get 500 gold worth of free stats while majoring in resolve grants less than 400 gold of health. There is no viable option in runes for early MR or Armor, and the offensive trees all have feast-or-famine mechanics that snowball even further.

That's about all I have to say about that.

46 Comments

Modl Ryden lDec 3, 201723 votes

I want them to get rid of tower first blood. It's the main reason why people push and shove their lanes so God damn much.

TortungaDec 3, 201712 votes

They won't remove it because of E-sports. Tower first blood stopped the E-sports meta of trading the top 2 or bottom 2 towers respectively with each other.

ªTeemoDec 3, 20176 votes

Another reason why pro players should have different patches. They don't play the same game as us anyway since they play on older patches usually.

Devilreaper XIIIDec 3, 201721 votes

i'm main sup and i try not to go back to base when the adc does .-. or its bye bye tower T.T so i always end up leaving the adc behind after the adc went base :/ risky play but less riskier than going base with the adc -.-

PsybicilinDec 4, 20171 votes

Why not just hard push Cannon wave into turret and back after that? Or if you are getting shoved in, ask your jungler to come push the lane. Backing right before a Cannon wave is a surefire way to lose your turret.

RumkattenDec 3, 201717 votes

I dont think you are being fair here. With candyfloss you actually have to chew, with the bot tower you just have to breathe gently on it to make it fall.

BhagswagDec 4, 201710 votes

You mean gently release a single butterfly in its direction. The flapping motion will produce enough wind to obliterate 3 towers and 2 inhibitors instantly.

The Great DivideDec 3, 201712 votes

The losing team gets more behind, and towers toss raisins at enemies as an annoyance at best.

This made me laugh so hard

EvenDec 3, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Great Divide,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KA4LdRkF,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-03T15:57:57.015+0000)

This made me laugh so hard

once you have a shred of armor towers deal 50 damage to you.

DNFVixenDec 3, 201712 votes

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If you back or die while your opponent is in lane, your tower falls.

If a tower falls, minions automatically push and snowball that lane while the winning laner spreads their win to the others with impunity.

The losing team gets more behind, and towers toss raisins at enemies as an annoyance at best.

There is no catchup. There is no play safe and farm. There is no time to get to a late game. Comebacks only happen in bronze when teams throw, and even then in only 1% of games.

Offensive characters get 500 gold worth of free stats while majoring in resolve grants less than 400 gold of health. There is no viable option in runes for early MR or Armor, and the offensive trees all have feast-or-famine mechanics that snowball even further.

That's about all I have to say about that.

And this is why I quit league. I actually encourage you all to quit league till riot listens to us.

KnockturneDec 3, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KA4LdRkF,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2017-12-03T17:58:38.935+0000)

And this is why I quit league. I actually encourage you all to quit league till riot listens to us.

and what other game would everyone play, heroes of the storm with no gold or items? overwatch ? pubg is in my opinion the only decent game out right now other than league and games like pubg get boring within a week of playing. even if league isn't fully balanced its wayyyyy better than the other available games.

DNFVixenDec 3, 20177 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jungler 420,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KA4LdRkF,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2017-12-03T18:07:54.155+0000)

and what other game would everyone play, heroes of the storm with no gold or items? overwatch ? pubg is in my opinion the only decent game out right now other than league and games like pubg get boring within a week of playing. even if league isn't fully balanced its wayyyyy better than the other available games.

Actually HoTS is a lot more balanced, less snowbally, and honestly the game has much better lore.

but no I would say go earn yourself some REAL MONEY by playing Entropia Universe while we wait for riot to listen. (Yes earn real money by playing a free MMO)

NineTailedMysticDec 3, 20171 votes

Too bad I don't care about any of the characters from Heroes.

MysticDreams12Dec 3, 20174 votes

I'm doing some nolstagia playing of the Elder Scrolls Oblivion right now. Most fun I've had in a long time!

My point: There are other games out there than just 5V5 match types (I forget the type of game that League is called).

Ice Boy 214Dec 4, 20171 votes

Moba

inplaneDec 3, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jungler 420,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KA4LdRkF,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2017-12-03T18:07:54.155+0000)

and what other game would everyone play, heroes of the storm with no gold or items? overwatch ? pubg is in my opinion the only decent game out right now other than league and games like pubg get boring within a week of playing. even if league isn't fully balanced its wayyyyy better than the other available games.

Overwatch is leagues better than League right now. Every hero is viable in some situation and games can actually last over the 30 minute mark. That's an insta-yes for most people already. Plus the game is relatively cheap compared to other games on the market right now.

It's also one of the reasons why I quit League. I realize Overwatch might not be the best game out there, but it offers so much more than the one-dimensional shitfest Riot is trying to currently pull off.

EvenDec 3, 20171 votes

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Overwatch is leagues better than League right now. Every hero is viable in some situation and games can actually last over the 30 minute mark. That's an insta-yes for most people already. Plus the game is relatively cheap compared to other games on the market right now.

It's also one of the reasons why I quit League. I realize Overwatch might not be the best game out there, but it offers so much more than the one-dimensional shitfest Riot is trying to currently pull off.

Overwatch is a fps, if you are looking for something similar to league that is not going to satisfy you in any way.

Ice Boy 214Dec 4, 20172 votes

Overwatch is just call of duty except its rated T instead of M and its aimed at kids cause of all the colorful effects and characters.

NaturesMayhemDec 4, 20171 votes

Maybe you would find more enjoyable games out there if you didn't just look at the big sellers. If you do that, I'm lost as to how you find a game you fully and completely enjoy. There's StarCraft 2 and World of Tanks that's free, as well as a multitude of singleplayer/co-op games that are amazing. You also forgot Dota 2 and Paragon when mentioning other available MOBAs.

GondoulfDec 4, 20171 votes

Logged in just to comment.

If you're looking for a free to play game, i heavily recommend you Warframe. At first sight it was really complicated but when i really got into it. Damn i can't imagine how the fuck i spent 500 hours playing.

Also Battlerite is free and doesn't seem like it takes time to understand the game

ConcreteLampDec 3, 20176 votes

Wait they buffed towers? I don't think I've actually managed to see one in game yet, they're gone so fast

ªTeemoDec 3, 20172 votes

I knew about the buff but I never actually felt a difference lol

DisulfiramDec 11, 20171 votes

If you're fast you can see 2 near your Nexus, at the start of the game.

DeusVultDec 3, 20175 votes

I agree with you on most points, but to say that comebacks only happen in bronze and only 1% of the time even then is hyperbole, as comebacks happen all the time in games from bronze to plat when a team refuses to group and finish.

LeetriDec 4, 20171 votes

Hell I had a game just yesterday where we were getting rolled and were down around 8 kills and 4 towers, yet we managed to group and win with proper targeting.

CaveslothDec 3, 20174 votes

Towers are a joke. Playing in bot games as nasus I can repeatedly walk under a tower, q a minion and walk out and my health will be back before go for the next one. The bit about them throwing raisins was spot on.

Nausicäa Dec 4, 20174 votes

im fucking sick of first turret dying at 7/8 minutes every fucking game. Get pushed out of lane, one wave turret gone.

TeCoolMageDec 3, 20173 votes

That's only for bot lane Top or mid you need a champ that specializes in taking towers with a very aggressive playstyle

I rarely have a problem with losing top or mid tower on first back or death, even if I've gone 0/4 against yorick pre-6 (yes I've ran into similar situations)

xDogMeatxDec 3, 20173 votes

well if theres a defense vs a 5 man bot lane with all tele after top or bot leaves then ill believe in counterplay yes i mean The Counterplay where the tower uses a tiberium true damage laser (yes i mean a laser what the fountain shoots that auto activates if 4 or more is rushing the tower) vs that instant bs to avoid 1st turret till lets say 8 min on game timer or something. that type of counterplay vs that insta kill 1st tower stuff will be stopped in a heartbeat

sddghyufjasdklhuDec 4, 20173 votes

dont you dare complain about tanks not having enough. you literally build nothing but armor and most tanks can solo a non dash adc easily with base damage. Tanks have no sympathy from me, a typical 3 item build costs about as much as the adc 3 item core which is currently the cheapest in the game aside from support.

DisulfiramDec 11, 20171 votes

It's the dual nature of adcs right now: alone they're easy prey for anyone except dot mages, with a support they're unkillable death machines.

(there are exceptions of course)

FCJAAAAGOOOODec 4, 20173 votes

Originally when I was looking at the runes before they went live I was thinking "this is rad! They'll probably tone down minion and jungle creep health and damage to compensate for the stat losses."

Then the patch hits and I find out that everyone gets compensated for the damage they lost in raw stats (the reason runes were removed in the first place?), except for mages because everyone lost MR and Sorc's Shoes is now buffed.

And also that everyone starts with an additional 500g of offensive stats.

What the heck. Why even add stats at all to the new runes? What were they thinking!?

Built to TyltDec 3, 20172 votes

Lol. This post.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

FánáDec 3, 20172 votes

All what author said Its true, there's no safe play or comebacks and I based my gameplay on that (lux mid echo rush for waveclear), so basicly I either learn other champs that are stupid in current meta or I can forever stay in my elo cuz champ I play put me in ridiculus disadvantage right now. Every immobile glass canon in this meta in garbage rn.

StoryDuckDec 3, 20172 votes

shhhh, don't tell riot the towers are as strong as candy floss, they might nerf them again so candy floss can destroy them and earn their team huge piles of gold.

SkorchDec 3, 20171 votes

Candy floss eh? Thats a new one.

SirLapseDec 3, 20171 votes

Part of the snowbally games already comes from people using wrong keystone rune or lacking an actual depth of understanding new runes. Many matches I've had stretch to 30+ minutes so I can't agree with the "can't come back" statement. If every lane lost, why the heck do you still deserve to win while ignoring champion power spikes and scaling? It'd be just emphasizing moreso that you DON'T have to play well to win a game fair and square.

Now as for health/sustain issues, you largely will see low differences compared to before because you still need to trade properly and play the lane properly. Some champions are overtuned (looking at Ornn ) so they do too much damage in lane phase, but majority of others do not have such obscene differences in damage that a player cannot circumvent. Spewing out numbers and not how they're used isn't how to make an argument.

AP Amumu MainDec 4, 20171 votes

I do not want longer games I like 10-15 minute games makes it enjoyable playing more than two games a night with limited time :/ remember this is a casual game and the population is growing older.

EcchiOtakuTMDec 4, 20171 votes

For a start to buffing turrets, they need adaptive damage.

SanelyMadDec 4, 20171 votes

I extremely agree with you to a point where it's insane to be honest

Cant Land KicksDec 4, 20171 votes

I don't know how many why people think this. If you had any game knowledge, you would know the same is in your favor is it not? You act like the fact that first tower isn't that hard to take (which btw they had there health buffed) makes you lose all your games. Its simple, don't back so much, if you're backing when your enemy laner is still in lane you should either have tp, have pushed or be kassadin

NaturesMayhemDec 4, 20174 votes

The issue is that you obviously can't win them all or you make little mistakes and it's punished with a lost game. This also contributes to the fact that the snowball isn't enjoyable even when you're on the winning side. It doesn't take much to get fed and when you are, enemies feel like paper mache. This game used to be a combination of rotating, split pushing, adding pressure to lanes that need it, turtling, and more. A combination of strats to gain an advantage over the enemy team even when behind. However, the game is too snowbally for that now and the enemy can blast through any of that with pure damage as long as they group and push.

Packun FlowerDec 4, 20171 votes

I still remember when they announced the changes to minions that would allow the WINNING TEAMS minions to push harder.

Why the fuck did they ever think that was a good idea.

ZT XperimentorDec 11, 20171 votes

Reminds me of last season, oh wait.

KnockturneDec 11, 20171 votes

heroes of the storm is more balanced and a better game? I played it in closed beta, after giving HoTS a decent try got illidan to lvl 10 in along with the Viking bird guy beta its just league but with less mana costs, more forgiving, and not having gold in the game makes it so your mistakes or good plays make less of an impact and nothing snowballs. their world finals had like 30k viewers ... the game feels horrible to play I did try it. overwatch looks like any other cartoon shooter but with a ton of healing and damage reduction. PUBG looks wayyy better than overwatch just for the fact that its a basic shooter with survival twist instead of blizzards classic over powered healing and dmg reduction so that any kid can play strategy, I hate it. Its what they did with WoW.
Edit: warframe looks pretty cool I might try that good suggestion gondoulf