Vayne is a massive ball of stats and mobility... Lets rework her?

Paroe··2 votes·1,131 views

Specifically i want to focus on her Q and her passive. Between these two abilities vayne becomes obnoxious and way to strong very quickly - a BF sword post six quickly. So ive got an idea to tone her down and solve her problem of becoming obnoxious to fast. As well as a change to her W to help aid her new passive.


Night Hunter EFFECT RADIUS: 2000 Night Hunter INNATE: Vayne gains Movement speed icon 30 bonus movement speed when moving towards a nearby Sight icon visible enemy champion. Final Hour: Night Hunter's bonus movement speed is tripled to 90.

Her current passive. I want to change it to tumble. Tumble: Whenever vayne casts an ability she tumbles a short distance forward. While tumbling vayne is invulnerable. Final hour: Tumbling reduces vaynes cooldowns by 1s.

What this will do is remove the most obnoxious parts of vaynes kit while still allowing her fundamental mobility that makes vayne feel like her. Skilled players will still be able to utilize vaynes tumble to dodge incoming damage.


The next thing i want to change is her Q (clearly);

Zealous hunt; 50 mana. 10s cooldown. Passive: Vaynes basic attacks and abilities mark enemy champions, stacking up to 5 times. Stacks decay at a rate of 1 every second. Active: When activated vayne can 'sense' marked enemy champions within her normal range of vision and target them even if they are stealthed or otherwise not visible for 5 seconds, increasing by 1 per auto attack on a marked champion up to an additional 5 seconds. Final hour: Vayne deals an additional 5% damage per mark on an enemy.

This is a big change, and what it does is give vayne reliability that isnt in the extremely obnoxious form of "i run at you and you cant ever escape me because i have a bajillion movement speed, MS itemization, and mobility!". It also has a few fair flaws that can be played around, as it doesnt reveal the marked enemy champions.


For the final change, id like to change her do-nothing W from a stat check into an actual ability. Silver bolts: 20 mana. 5s cooldown. Active: Vayne loads three silver bolts which deal an additional 25/30/35/40/45% total AD as true damage on attack. Each bolt reduces her cooldowns by 1 when fired Final hour: Vayne automatically loads crossbow bolts.

This change will keep vayne strong against everyone like she is now and let her feel very powerful in the lategame when shes rocking 150~300 true damage per hit, but also shift her itemization away from onhit abuse to more CDR focused build paths... Which will add another layer of skill to the general 'skill' of being a right click nuke marksman.


As far as Vaynes E and R are concerned... Im okay with Condemn being in its current state, and vaynes ball of stats ultimate is iconic to her. Minor changes to her E would be using a silver bolt when available and applying a stack of her Q.

9 Comments

Shiroe Okazaki2 votes

i dont think she needs a rework. Shes really really loved champ. HOWEVER i think she needs a massive nerf of her w and q CD. maybe just nerf the way rageblade works on her. Just my opinion tho

Paroe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shiroe Okazaki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wAmkvas5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-25T04:42:38.908+0000)

i dont think she needs a rework. Shes really really loved champ. HOWEVER i think she needs a massive nerf of her w and q CD. maybe just nerf the way rageblade works on her. Just my opinion tho

"really loved"? You mean absurdly broken no matter the meta. Theres a reason why shes so popular, and let me tell you it isnt because shes a cult of personality.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

That's a lie, she was pretty shit tier for quite some time espacially before her (absurd) buffs. I hate Vayne just as much but exaggerating facts to make yourself look right only makes your points weaker.

Paroe1 votes

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That's a lie, she was pretty shit tier for quite some time espacially before her (absurd) buffs. I hate Vayne just as much but exaggerating facts to make yourself look right only makes your points weaker.

Yeah no... To my knowledge vayne has never been below a 10% pick rate even when 'she was garbage'. Shes much like Lee-sin in that respect, shes never unpopular and shes never really out of meta.

xxxliltrash 1 votes

bro you gotta be high out of your mind with that w change, 25%to45% TOTAL ad as true damage on a 5 sec cooldown, godamn like i know max hp damage is aids but holy shit just imagine a vayne hitting you with 700 ad crit just for half of that damage being true damage. on top of the "layer of skill" you added, congratulations instead of hitting 3 autos for true damage, now vayne just needs to press w and auto you.

Paroe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=xxxliltrash ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wAmkvas5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-25T06:13:49.498+0000)

bro you gotta be high out of your mind with that w change, 25%to45% TOTAL ad as true damage on a 5 sec cooldown, godamn like i know max hp damage is aids but holy shit just imagine a vayne hitting you with 700 ad crit just for half of that damage being true damage. on top of the "layer of skill" you added, congratulations instead of hitting 3 autos for true damage, now vayne just needs to press w and auto you.

Why yes! Did you know that an average vayne proc will deal 14% max health with a minimum of 110 true damage? 14% of 2000 is 240 or so true damage per proc. I dont think i need to explain how much stronger that gets with rageblade, do i?

The changes to her silver bolts will promote a CDR based build or vayne will ignore her W for more traditional stuff. As her W would no longer be a one point wonder, Vayne players would need to choose between her new Q or her new W... Because 25% total AD isnt really a lot unless youre jhin.
There are, of course, room for changes in regards to functions. The W i propose should probably lose its CDR refund since its CDR is so low, but eh.

Sir Saltarin1 votes

I'm fine with that, rework Yasuo now that you are on it

Paroe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wAmkvas5,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-25T10:12:52.021+0000)

I'm fine with that, rework Yasuo now that you are on it

Yasuo Q loses its tornado, crit damage buffed to 100%. Wind wall removed. Tornado becomes the new W. Tornado eats projectiles to increase knock up duration but is otherwise exactly the same as the current tornado with windwalls cooldown. EW still knocks people up. In practice it would probably just be a point blank, stationary tornado. Yasuo R no longer grants free armor pen. Instead he gets increased critical strike damage scaling (25/50/75%).

Most obnoxious part of his kit (wind wall): Gonzo. What makes him unique: Kept. Counterplay: Acquired. Gameplay fantasy: Met.

Paroe1 votes

So many downvotes without substance. Vayne mains united i guess?

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