does anyone else feel the same? right now lategame hypercarries become intensified hypercarries when ardent is finished. cait ivern karma was just boring to go against rather then hopeless
botlane was at its best state in season 5 when everything was worth first picking
PePsiLemoNN14 votesNext META comes
Everyone: ''Omg remember when Trist and Twitch + Ardent was meta? Good times''
Jet Sett5 votesI can't imagine a meta more unfun than one where the gameplan is for everyone to boost the ADC to godlike levels while peeling and shielding them to the point where you can't kill them because they're in the backline behind a tank but if you don't do everything in your power to kill them your whole team is melted away.
But this game is full of surprises, I could very well end up eating my words someday.
LordGeovanni1 votesthat has technically been every meta before but its true they werent being healed and shielded they just couldnt be gotten at all ad lifesteal did the exact same thing.
Kaìju1 votesTrust me, as a Silver ADC main it isn't fun for me either. Most of my supports are things like Blitz or Thresh who can't use Ardent but can't land a book either, and my teams want to carry so they all build damage and we lose because the enemy team just does it better and I get dicked on bot by ganks. Sure lots of ADCs are abusing the game and winning, but just as many aren't and we hate it.
Velzard of Koz1 votesAnd so, the wheel of circlejerk will move onto another target. Who's next? Preseason decides!
LordGeovanni2 votesbet its gonna me something else an adc is getting to powerful off of and then the adcs rip on anything that can stop that just like how its supposedly a tank meta because tanks have cc
Juggernaut62811 votesI want Caitlyn and Karma to burn in the hell in which they came. I'd rather lane against these uninteracive shield supports than feed against busted poke champions.
YoIocaust4 votesI want Caitlyn and Karma to burn in the hell in which they came. I'd rather lane against these uninteracive shield supports than feed against busted poke champions.
but the meta we have now lategame hypercarries become intensified hypercarries by 10th min, cait karma ivern was just stale rather then a certain loss for the enemy team
Juggernaut6281 votesI am that late game hypercarry ;)
Sukishoo1 voteshell is a cold place though.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 voteswhat the fuck
Chembaron Yamada3 votesAccording to The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri, the 9th circle of hell (which is the deepest you can get) is an icy lake.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesInteresting, does the book have any merit to it or is it old superstition?
Chembaron Yamada2 votesDante is just showing his own interpretation of the hell in this book and the circles of hell are full of symbolism.
The 9th circle of hell is for the worst offenders in Dante's eyes, traitors. For him, the act of treachery means denying love (and this means: god). Love is associated with warmth here. So his conclusion: Since they denied love, they are the furthest of the warmth -> cold.
On top of that, the ice is probably meant to represent their personality as remorseless and dead inside.
So, he had kinda "logical" explanation why this circle of hell is filled with ice. But in the end, it was just his own personal fantasy of that place.
SnakDatSmilesBak2 votesYeah, but then again Stephen King's novels are all personal fantasies (or nightmares) and those are great reads. By any chance, have you read leviathan by hobbes?
Chembaron Yamada1 votesDon't know why someone was downvoting you for this, but I got you covered.
I didn't read Leviathan yet, but looked it up in the internet. Seems highly interesting, do you recommend it?
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesEh down votes are irrelevant. I don't know if I would recommend it or not, it's next on my list after the communist manifesto. Though I just finished a brief history of space and time and if you're into sciency stuff, I'd definitely recommend that.
Knoyle1 votesIt's one thing when you choose to be more passive in lane. It's fucking awful being forced to be a little bitch scraping whatever cs you can while trying your damnest not to die. FUCK heavy harass bot lane duos. Good Riddance to them. I'll take scaling adc ANY day.
LordGeovanni1 votesscaling adcs do the harrass thing too after they kill you the first time because your healing costs more mana or is less effective than the other guy.
Dasdi966 votesNo, I would never want to lane against a caitlyn + poke support ever again. They pretty much autowin lane and force you to lose 1st turret by 8 minutes from their range advantage.
Kovorix5 votesI would rather have one shotting assassins everywhere instead of one shotting right click adc shit.
Jbels3 votesI just want ADCs to stop getting treated like special snowflakes while every other role/class of champion has to eat shit and be adjusted to fit the ADC mold. What's that? Tanks are actually killing ADCs that they catch out of position? Can't have that, TAKE TANKINESS AWAY FROM ALL TANKS AND SLAP IT ONTO DEFENSIVE ITEMIZATION FOR ADCs / SUPPORT ITEMS. Our Marksmen overlords must NOT feel challenged in any way by the other roles!
You're only downvoting because you know it's true.
LordGeovanni3 votesIf 
is the problem why arent other champios who would love to benifit from it meta 
. As fighters before any of that well they build 
and full tank bull shit.
Melledoneus3 votesIt feels like every subsequent meta is making the game even worse than the previous one.
Before it was "ranged lane bullies are too strong."
Now it's "ranged carries are un-f*cking-killable."
Bârd3 votesI'm fine with people swapping up summoner spells for new strategies.
Putting heal on the champion with all the healing amp just makes sense.
AFilthyCaitMain2 votesIm a biased Caitlyn main, so yes.
i cant move wtf2 votesI would honestly be fine if they deleted cait altogether (I'm being completely serious). Free poke and zoning you off farming under your own turret at level 2 with invisible traps because you picked a champion that pushes slower than her? I'll take boring shields and AS steroids any day.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesHow is it free if it costs mana and she is using an ammo system? And the traps are not invisible. ô.o
Vallalan2 votesno thanks. both suck. hyper carry metas mean lane bullies have no place. and thats REALLY bad. lane bullies who cant bully. so useless champs? got it.
Ivern at his peak was absolute cancer to play against. and cait/karma in bot was basically an auto loss if the jungler didn't show up early to make them respect him.
Cait in general is a cancerous design. hopefully the 30 second duration traps make her lane phase less oppressive now that she's getting a full revert.
but let's not pretend all that meta was better. they both fucking sucked. hyper carries should never ever be the meta without at least being able to be punished by lane bullies. I mean there aren't really any lane bullies left in bot. lucian gutted so hard he is a mid laner only now, MF is super bad vs tanks, and Jhin is also super bad vs tanks.
warpenguin5551 votesSame, I abused the fuck out of Ivern a few months ago. Love Ivern
dunder kill1 votesSo you could have a Heal Barrier Cait with Karma and Ivern spamming shields with Ardent?
WoonStruck1 votesHe means heal on the support, who has tons of healing amps.
ADC takes barrier, since it has a lower CD and shields more.
meowwow71 votesidk about karma cait in bot lane in season 5 but i saw alot of vayne nami's back then
Swarovsko1 votesCait+Karma wasn't just boring to go against, it was oppressive as fuck with all that poke. I played Karma many times and whenever I had a Cait adc I knew that wasn't going to be just boring for the enemy team... I remember many players going afk because unable to farm since their hp bar was always low. But yeah, that was still better than what we have now.
Ivern and Irelia1 votesPlease never let Cait and karma rise to the state they were in.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesShould someone tell him that Caitlyn is going to headshot turrets? [sg-lulu]
GrReaper961 votesAND they reverted the compensation nerf for this
LordGeovanni1 votesif a champion is so busted that they need to be changed quickly why do they need compensation expecially the same time they are nerfed. Only on adcs a select group of mages and lee sin.
Blåbæret1 votesdoes anyone else feel the same? right now lategame hypercarries become intensified hypercarries when ardent is finished. cait ivern karma was just boring to go against rather then hopeless
botlane was at its best state in season 5 when everything was worth first picking
You say that, but you don't realize what you're saying until it becomes reality. Trust me, we don't want neither of these champs back.
Knoyle1 votesYeah.... NO... FUCK early game ADCs. They can stay garbage tier for the entirety of the league's existence for all I care.
SwiftKitten881 votesi wonder could have possibly made ADC's become out of control...cough 
nerfs
Sire Hippington1 votesCait ivern karma(gallio) basically was exactly the same, bounch of people with the sole gameplan beeing to get you adc an immortal killer machine. I really don't see how that was any better(or worse i suppose) than what we have now. It was basically the exact same thing...
Tychusfindlay9181 votesCait karma were bearable, strong ivern was absolutely NOT bearable at all.
You were NOT allowed to move and you were NOT allowed to do any meaningful damage to the enemy team.