ranged junglers are disgusting (nidalee/graves) and the underrated quinn

YoIocaust··33 votes·2,180 views

they just walk in lane and AA you to death, you cant recall at turret, constant gapcloses and wall jumps with executes and blinds, pointless to even try escaping/flashing when getting ganked.

if im going to get fucked by a gank, it had better be by a fed melee champ, or unwarded or me being completely out of position, not some piss easy ranged jungler just walking in lane preventing anything i try.

EDIT: OH SHIT, i forgot how disgusting they are with red buff and the damage reduction smite that also does TRUE DAMAGE. suprised quinn is pretty much never played too.

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CppL7 votes

In lane its whatever ,but when you meet them in jungle with a red buff...omg that slow and paintful death.Where you cant do anything.Just stand there and took like a man.

Earl Eulrich6 votes

and after you escaped they just siege your turret down...range is just a huge advantage in this game and the champs that have it don´t really pay for it.

nice table5 votes

graves is a balanced champion that requires skill, his a ranged champion that's stronger in melee range than most melee champions. also nidalee ganks kill you without her landing a spear which shouldn't happen.

YoIocaust5 votes

have you ever seen a graves that goes youmuus+duskblade and max armor pen? ive seen a few smurf graves 1v4 in quick succession by diving straight into them... maybe graves would be balanced at toplane without these max armor pen builds, cause right now he gets the best out of everything -_-

i miss the old graves, they shoulda just gave him a shotgun instead of a rework ffs

Naomi CoffeeGoat20 votes

I really wouldn't call Graves balanced whatsoever since his rework. He's got the burst of an assassin, adc levels of sustained damage, his E makes him hard to burst, and he's ridiculously mobile. Graves' dueling and safety is just too high especially when he's now a jungler. He doesn't have to deal with the weaknesses of a short ranged champion in bot lane.

nice table3 votes

yeah its was a joke mate

Arthianne2 votes

I'll argue with you on that one. Graves is required to get in close range or have the target be against a wall, and his damage early game is absolute shit. Until he has 3 points in his Q his burst does almost no damage. Not only that but you have to be against a wall to even be bursted. And even then you have enough time to flash away because it has a delay. Graves also can't be played effectively in the ADC role due to being too slow to follow up on his supports engages (his autos cant go through minions) Graves has some extreme amounts of counterplay so, if you're dying to him, you could have prevented it.

nice table2 votes

i don't think people caught the huge Kappa sarcasm in the statement of "graves is a balanced champion that requires skill".

Buff Jax please1 votes

If you don't write a kappa at the end of oyur sentence people here cant detect sarcasm.

nice table1 votes

i mean after the "graves is a balanced champion that requires skill" i kinda explained why thats not true tho lol

Spoofghoul3 votes

{quoted}

graves is a manly champion that requires a cigar,

fixed that for you

Athenes Lulu5 votes

Meanwhile Fiddlesticks, the original ranged jungler, doesn't even need to AA and you're dead.

TONY IS SO HOT1 votes

But fiddlesticks counts as a mage.

Aeszarck1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentleman Gnar,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3NngEWJE,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2016-09-03T01:32:40.063+0000)

But fiddlesticks counts as a mage.

And is also ranged.

TONY IS SO HOT1 votes

But what is a fiddlesticks autos going to do? besides bring out the red buff if he has it.

Livin like Riven4 votes

I'm super mega 1337(read: somewhat good) at Ezreal, and abusing the easy kiting of JG creeps, you can stay full HP in JG, people try to invade you thinking they can fight you since you shouldn't have any HP since you have no sustain or tankiness, but come in with 3/4 HP or so and you're still full. Plus, I take ignite instead of flash, so I gank with red immediately, have E to deal extra dmg and keep slowing/dmging them, and ignite, it's actually pretty decent since you get a cheese kill and can snowball, and Ezreal with bloodrazor is pretty funny because of his insane Q poke.

I think the thing is they're a lot healthier than melee JGs because of the kiting, so there's less hesitation to gank, less chance of outplaying by killing them if they do gank, and, yeah, red from a distance and red smite from a distance and such can hurt. Ezreal JG isn't even good, it's just a funny cheese I do in normals sometimes, since I usually ADC(Ez Main) or JG(not sure if I play vi or wukong better there), and decided to combine them. I haven't lost yet since I abuse the mechs I learned from both, but, then again, I usually only play against high silver to mid Gold in norms, so, yeah. Take it with a grain of salt.

Also, on the same point of kiting making you a lot healthier, if you notice, good junglers will kite the camps even as melee, because they can dodge an auto from the camp a few times while clearing, which is practically essential now. Ranged champs can do this far more easily, especially with the mobility of Graves dash/Quinn vault/Kindred hops etc.

Nidalee's actually a little bit of an outlier, she can do the kiting well enough, but she has to go melee, too. The real thing about her is that she can place traps in advance to deal more initial damage in the course of time it takes her to kill her first 3 camps than her actual kit's power budget allows for the same amount of time against champs.

Buff Jax please2 votes

+1

Stalinium2 votes

You missed the worst of them all...

KogMaw

chubs12242 votes

Really not bad... You need your jungler to abuse him which in low elo they dont do enough. And he is not any use ganking until after at least bloodrazor

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Except if you smite his krugs and farm his jungle he can't do shit any more.

LegendmakerGX1 votes

It doesn't matter if the game can last to over 25 min then pretty much it only matters about the one who is smart in team fight. Making a person far behind only stalls them but when the game usually gets pass 30 min which most game do then it won't matter because champions will practically have 3 items or more by then.

morris11 votes

But he doesn't gank.

Keti2 votes

If they have a ranges jg, it's an open invitation to pick hard initiation and wreck them usually.

Tobias Brackner2 votes

Why don't you ward?

Have you tried warding?

Mistress Madoka2 votes

Look, I'm not gonna try and claim it's fun to play against, but If someone wants to play a champ in the jungle, that's their Decision.

Nidalee SO NYAAA2 votes

oh I did not know that Nid had good AA's

MorgManBasher1 votes

No reason to play quinn jungle when Graves exists tbh

agbudar1 votes

a buddy of mine abuses to fuk out of quinn it got him from bronze to gold 4 in less then a hundred games. now he is taking a break

KoKoboto1 votes

I had a game where PLAT players told my Graves isn't over tuned, that he's perfectly fine. Man the boosting is real, also Quinn is cancer but no one likes to play the bird, it has a 55% winrate at top atm :l

KMS Bismarck3 votes

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I had a game where PLAT players told my Graves isn't over tuned, that he's perfectly fine. Man the boosting is real, also Quinn is cancer but no one likes to play the bird, it has a 55% winrate at top atm :l

Her blind is so fking healty, riot learned so much after removing silence from the assassins.

Friendly Ram1 votes

Is kindred no longer a jungler?

KoKoboto1 votes

She got nerfed a ton, I think it's still strong but no one complains to much about it.

Aeszarck1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Happy Honker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3NngEWJE,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-09-02T19:03:25.624+0000)

Is kindred no longer a jungler?

On the same note, has Kog'Maw Bloodrazor jungle been forgotten?

Gehco1 votes

I'm glad more people are playing Quinn. She is op ice you master her.

Sylvant1 votes

i dont see how are they broken and op if they are not even a significant amount of the jungle picks, if they were, they would be a major pick. Not only i dont recall to have been playing against them recently, but if i did a while ago, it was nothing to remember. Im not aware how the situation is in the lower elo however, maybe thats where they are stomping newbies

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