can we bring back ZEPHYR for season 7?

YoIocaust··163 votes·6,393 views

there was no reason to remove it at all, it was a good 2nd damage item for champions like jax/irelia/xin/udyr and would fit into vayne's build if you want and can be baught last on ADC's. so tell me, what's the point in removing an item thats great on some and situationally good on others while being a good buy as a last item but keeping shit like ohmwrecker in the game? wits end is only baught on warwick, thats literally it.

give us back zephyr for season 7 so we can at least deal with all the ranged shite while being able to buy ninja's... its awful going against 4 ADC's and brand support.

147 Comments

Big Lincoln8 votes

zephyr was bought even less than ohmwrecker, wasn't it

of course now that bork is garbage as an AD/AS item it might have picked up in popularity

ArnoldSchwarzens2 votes

It not being bought is not really an argument. It took several years until people figured out how good Frozen Mallet is.

Big Lincoln22 votes

?

frozen mallet got a build path that made it less dog shit and that's when people built it

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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frozen mallet got a build path that made it less dog shit and that's when people built it

The reason nobody rushed zephyr was exactly this. Buy a stinger, buy a pickaxe, now wait for 725 gold to combine. It should have been BF sword+stinger imo.

Big Lincoln2 votes

i agree, i would like to see some of the removed items make a return

give back atma too though plz

Skorch3 votes

i too loved atmas, but DONT BRING IT BACK. we have enough tank damage items now

Pierce The Veal45 votes

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zephyr was bought even less than ohmwrecker, wasn't it

of course now that bork is garbage as an AD/AS item it might have picked up in popularity

It was bought more than ohmwrecker.

Every item in the game was bought more than ohmwrecker.

Velzard of Koz28 votes

The only thing not bought more than Ohmwrecker is Urgot.

Pierce The Veal3 votes

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The only thing not bought more than Ohmwrecker is Urgot.

Even that's a tossup. I'm gonna go ahead and say 0=0

EndlessSorcerer14 votes

Urgot is at least purchased by completionists.

Aeszarck2 votes

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Urgot is at least purchased by completionists.

But do they buy an Urgot skin?

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

I bought Battlecast Urgot when it was on sale.

I kept getting him in ARAM, so I wanted to at least look decent.

MistaMac2 votes

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I kept getting him in ARAM, so I wanted to at least look decent.

HEY - Urgot IS sexy ass bitch! You should play him with default skin! No exceptions!

http://st.elohell.net/public/chill/28faa16eef3d653ef5822b52c8480aad.png

ThePompf4 votes

but...but....

I like urgot D:

MunchCrunchLunch7 votes

oh god make it melee only. i like the item.but i dont want adcs building it. some of them already skip boots late game because zeal item give so much ms nowdays.

Hyperiön5 votes

If we bring back Zephyr, we must bring back Atma's Impaler!!!!!

Mimy11 votes

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If we bring back Zephyr, we must bring back Atma's Impaler!!!!!

People already complain about some tanks doing too much damage. Do you really wanna do that?

Hyperiön7 votes

People confuse Tanks with juggernauts, bruisers.

They don't do like any damage unless you play like a Darius, Malphite, Sion, Renny, Something like that.

ManiacalCoyote2 votes

Warwick's a Tank, too.

Hyperiön15 votes

He isn't a tank, he is a fighter.

notice me Sin pi2 votes

i thought he was a drain-tank(kinda like aatrox but less draining) that functions by dealing damage

Hyperiön1 votes

A drain Tank = Only Aatrox

WW is a fighter, just with good sustain. If you are putting it like that, that would make Nasus a drain tank too. (He is also a fighter)

GULAG 4 U4 votes

Vladimir is a drain tank too.

SwaggyMcGhee4202 votes

Rammus is a full tank. He does damage.

Pierce The Veal3 votes

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If we bring back Zephyr, we must bring back Atma's Impaler!!!!!

NO!

Bring back Force of Nature!

TotalJerk5 votes

item 3748 is basically the successor to Atma's.

The Deckowner5 votes

would fit into vayne's build

no, just don't.

RainbowIcee3 votes

actually you can, just sell the boots get a zephyr. With vayne's passive + ult + blade dancer and zephyrs movement speed she should still outrun her target and have the convenience of extra atk dmg and still hold up with atk speed. Even cdr to boot!

6Sfool5 votes

Never really understood why they removed it. Maybe they'll give some form of it back with the diver rework, since they don't have many attack speed items.

GigaPube4 votes

post #42069 telling riot to do something that they'll never do and so they only look like attention whores or its a bigger reason to circlejerk about how much riot doesnt listen to us

Slythion24 votes

how dare anyone request anything from our lord and saviors over at Riot, right? It's not like the boards are meant to discuss gameplay (and yes, even removed items are part of gameplay).

Thank god you were here to criticize a perfectly reasonable discussion with your negative mindset, no one else could've put us back into our place like you have. Thank you kind sir

a special one4 votes

it was never really good tho, there were better buys always

GrReaper9610 votes

Personally i almost always buy it to replace boots late game on AD champions

GULAG 4 U2 votes

I would buy it to replace boots at the end of the game and for lane bruiser yi...

Knight Devout3 votes

I was thinking about Zephyr the other day. I never figured out why they'd remove that item just because it's underplayed when certain items are even more niche yet they are considered ok.

TheMinez3 votes

I got it back in bronze on braum mid. Those were the good ol days...

STRIKE LIKE BRAUM! (As he is hitting someone in the face at 2.5 AS with a door becoming a single target CC assassin with an AOE ult)

Vallalan3 votes

zephyr was an item that was good but had literally no place in the game. and that still holds true today.

if you want attack damage and attack speed? bork is better. the on hit from bork even after nerfs is just better than whatever zephyr gave you. the tenacity was good, and the move speed was good, and overall item was great.

ADCs never bought it because crit and attack speed is better than a bit of AD and attack speed. 5% more movespeed wasn't enough to justify giving up 25-35% crit back then. it was occasionally bought as a last item (swapping out boots for it i mean) but even then people stopped doign that because buying a second PD back then was better.

it was an option for people who wanted move speed, attack speed/ad so some bruisers could get it, but most bruisers only build one or two damage items and trinity/bork are usually superior and similar to the stats that zephyr gives.

rather than bring back zephyr I wish they would introduce an item that gives 10% move speed on AD. AP mages get Luden's Echo, AD champs do not have an equivalent.

woudl be great for immobile adcs or bruisers or want to zoom zoom.

TheMinez11 votes

Zephyr was the original 10% movement speed item...

It also gave tenacity...

So instead of Zephyr you want Zephyr?

Vallalan1 votes

i want parts of zephyr. not old zephyr. i would never buy old zephyr. if they added a raw 70 ad item or even 65 ad with 10% move speed and tenacity. yes i would buy that.

Demonicous3 votes

You just highlighted all the problems with the game.

When I play a tank I am never ever tanky enough. Most... not all tanks but most... do not do enough damage even when not built as tanks to justify their low base HP. I am a tank for Heimerdinger's sake! My job is to disrupt, peel, engage, draw fire, and isolate opposing threats.

So ADCs build Crit and AS in almost cookie cutter item sets. Sure there are differences but very little creativity. item 3142 still dominates most champ builds even though years ago Rito WISELY removed it from the game.

APs stack AP to the sky.

There is no variety in builds because the only way for players to do their jobs is to use cookie cutter builds that reflect little creativity or reactivity to the opposition because they know tanks don't do enough damage and cant survive a full combo. All we ever hear are the tunnel visioned moron Assassin players scream that tanks are OP and their classes are not doing their job. Um... one shotting an ADC... okay I get it... taking a tanks health down 75% in one combo... how is a tank supposed to do their job if they have no security of the position? And Rito listens to the Assassin players because Assassins make exciting plays for the LCS. Exciting plays in the LCS increase viewership ratings, which increases advertising revenue.

Ever since the LCS circuit came about the game has not been about champion balance or creative building. I remember when Dodge was a stat... all ADC's stacked Phantom Dancers back in the day for the Crit, AS, and 90% Dodge. Same crap is happening now because there is no ROLE balance. And every day I read threads about bad tanks, bad supports that dont engage. Well there is a reason they dont. 50% chance of success for a 90% chance of death... FU you engage bruh.

I dont build Alistar to be a nuke because it is a troll build that works well when the enemy is caught off guard, but it hurts my team when I cant do my job they way they NEED me to. If Tanks are going to stay as squishy as they are they need to get better damage scaling, because currently we dont do as much as the troll builds say we do.

Ermagerd! Alistar Oneshotted me! Well with a item 3089 item 3135 item 3158 item 3027 item 3027 item 3027 build of course he will, but thats not his job. Either increase damage scaling on tanks so that we can join the damn party, or increase our base health by a lot, lower our damage scaling to compensate, and let us actually do what our teams need us to do. We are kind of supposed to run into the fray and survive... not die because everyone unloaded on us and my team won the team fight only because the enemy's abilities were on cooldown.

That is plain and simply a tunnel-visioned play strategy. The opposing teams choice was made because the tank has no other choice and they know it. If they know it will take more than a concerted effort to take the tank down, they might play with more strategy and save their CDs for the other roles engaging shortly after, which also gives the defending team a chance to survive if they ignore the tank.

An addendum. Dont get me wrong when I play a support tank like Alistar it feels good to get a kill sometimes. Other times it feels like the enemy got away from my ADC, Mid, or Jung and I am just there cleaning up.

However yes it feels good to get kills as a tank, but that is not my job. If I played an extended match and I went 0 / 5 / 45 with Alistar I honestly feel that is a successful score. Somehow in my mind I equate 5 Assists equaling 1 Kill. It makes me feel good because I didn't have to finish anyone's job for them, my team is competent, and I was doing my job in securing kills for my team.

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

correction. BOTRK USED TO BE SUPERIOR.

botrk is shit now. i rarely buy it. on any damn bruiser. except master yi. it sucks.

YoIocaust2 votes

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zephyr was an item that was good but had literally no place in the game. and that still holds true today.

if you want attack damage and attack speed? bork is better. the on hit from bork even after nerfs is just better than whatever zephyr gave you. the tenacity was good, and the move speed was good, and overall item was great.

ADCs never bought it because crit and attack speed is better than a bit of AD and attack speed. 5% more movespeed wasn't enough to justify giving up 25-35% crit back then. it was occasionally bought as a last item (swapping out boots for it i mean) but even then people stopped doign that because buying a second PD back then was better.

it was an option for people who wanted move speed, attack speed/ad so some bruisers could get it, but most bruisers only build one or two damage items and trinity/bork are usually superior and similar to the stats that zephyr gives.

rather than bring back zephyr I wish they would introduce an item that gives 10% move speed on AD. AP mages get Luden's Echo, AD champs do not have an equivalent.

woudl be great for immobile adcs or bruisers or want to zoom zoom.

botrk did more damage then zephyr and thats about it but everyone doesnt quite understand the sweetness that zephyr gave, constant high movement speed is fantastic and you can get ninja's which work vs the whole map (besides ap abilities) imagine a jax with trinity+zephyr+randuins+thornmail+visage, your a fast moving anti ADC tank with tenacity.

ive mostly had problems going trinity+botrk+mercs on jax it feels quite shitty tbh, mercs does nothing to ADC's or in lane and botrk doesnt do anything vs squishies either. trinity+zephyr to bruisers is what cleaver+youmuus is to assassins, people just havent realized it. trinity+zephyr makes the rest of your build effective in the process where trinity+botrk is shit til ur full build. i can proxy with ninja's with constant full HP, cant do that with mercs.

that's just my experience in season 4 when i hit master and i miss the sweetness of it.

RainbowIcee2 votes

i don't get what's up with this mentality? an item that's not being used by popular demand by all means doesn't mean is useless if anything the item might be either balance or under tuned. But that's no reason to remove it.

SwaggyMcGhee4203 votes

I just want an item I can replace boots with on an AD champ D:

AirKingNeo3 votes

We can bring back Zephyr if we buff it by like 5-10 AD. Consider it a kalista buff.

Aldduren3 votes

I absolutely adored Zephyr, it was such a beautiful item.

Sure, extremely situational, but also extremely satisfying, giving a huge chunk of attack speed, movement speed, attack damage, but ALSO giving you tenacity. It made so many more builds possible for champions like Olaf, Shyvana, Corki and even Darius.

It was like a phantom dancer that is actually viable on bruisers and AD casters.

Paress3 votes

I 1000% agree with this. And Zephyr would be powerful in S7 since the Fervor mastery would balance the lack of AD from the item.

2yordles1cupcake2 votes

Lucian + multiple stack Zephyr for movement speed = cancer.

Squeaky Dreemurr2 votes

cough Zephyr Darius cough

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Teemo+6 Zephyrs was humorous.

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