@Meddler The Diver Update will fail because ADC and zone control/utility mages' damage is too high.

WoonStruck··2 votes·615 views

**They are both overloaded damage-wise, as well as the defensive options against them lacking in power or simply availability. **

Also, DPS mages have been a balance issue for what, nearly 7 seasons now? When are you going to introduce itemization to help mitigate their burst-DPS?

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Chamuel857 votes

item 3102 item 3156 item 3814 Probably never.

WoonStruck2 votes

Banshee's and Edge of Night aren't even bought. They're both objectively bad at the moment outside of extreme counter-pick scenarios, of which DPS mages are not one of those scenarios.

Maw alone isn't going to save anyone from any mage's burst

Chamuel853 votes

Except that there was endless whining about it last season if you watched the boards at all. Also you were whining about no itemization against it. There is. You just don't like it. It sounds like you want just free defensive power on an item without sacrificing any sort of damage on that item.

WoonStruck2 votes

Meanwhile mages have item 3001 item 3116 item 3040 item 3157 item 3165 item 1056 item 1056 item 1056

Which all offer loads of free shit without giving anything up.

There are literally no drawbacks to building these items in a large majority of cases.

Chamuel855 votes

Oh I figured it out. This is a troll post.

Astôlfo6 votes

Meanwhile AD has QSS, Maw, Edge of Night, Hexdrinker (which is still absurdly strong), Sterak's, Bloodthirster, Mortal Reminder, Lethality, % armor pen (Last Whisper), Cleaver, and Doran's Blade.

Stop smoking.

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

Let's not forget All the crit items.

Especially item 3046

Astôlfo2 votes

Oh right fuck that cancerous shit.

GeminiRune1 votes

Adding to your list: Does item 3022 count

Astôlfo1 votes

Mallet is a bit rarer but it's still cancer.

Astôlfo3 votes

Not this shit again

Also what DPS mages are there lmao. Azir and Cass are like the only ones I can think of.

WoonStruck2 votes

Azir, Cass, Vlad, Ryze, Taliyah, A. Sol, Rumble, Syndra, etc.

All have been huge issues at various points because a single MR item changes very little, while two or greater either sacrifices your core itemization or allows ADCs/assassins to easily murder you due to a lack of armor and the bonus damage that LDR will be providing.

Big Lincoln1 votes

you forgot karthus

Chamuel853 votes

Vlad, the new high dps mage.

WoonStruck2 votes

You think doing 2k+damage every 2.75 seconds isn't high DPS? lol

People thinking Vlad is still good tank is exactly why he has an average 46% winrate. His tankier build, like most champs, is only good when you're ahead. Its trash when you're not.

Hyperiön3 votes

Syndra is a burst Mage, not DPS.

Vlad, is a burst mage, same with Ryze. Taliyah.

Azir, Cass, and Aol are the only DPS mages.

Your definition of a DPS mage is a little skewed.

WoonStruck2 votes

Syndra does both.

Vlad is DPS, not burst. He doesn't do nearly enough in one rotation to be considered burst. Sub 3 second CDs makes champs considered DPS because hey, it makes them do a large amount of average damage per second. That's still high damage per second, not burst. Same applies to Syndra. Yes, she can burst someone, but she still has high DPS.

Brand is burst. His damage CDs are 6+ seconds long. Lux is burst. Her CDs are all 6+ seconds, even with CDR.

You say that, but don't acknowledge Ryze. Lol.

Hyperiön2 votes

Syndra isn't DPs, her Q still has a CD to make it not spammable.

Vlad Q, again isn't DPS, Wanna know his burst? His Ult, E, Q. He won't kill you just by spamming Q in a 1v1. I don't know where you got sub 3 seconds for a DPS mage. That would make a lot of champions DPS with 45% CDR.

Scary Door3 votes

It's almost as if you have to make choices with regard to how you itemize and play around these champions.

Hmm, interesting.

WoonStruck2 votes

Its almost like melee don't actually have a choice because they need damage to be relevant, but they need tank stats to be able to utilize that damage.

Hmm, interesting.

Everyone knows damage is over-loaded atm. Don't pretend otherwise because your precious main would be nerfed.

Astôlfo3 votes

Vlad isn't DPS. Taliyah isn't even close to DPS until extreme late game. Aurelion is a half-assed DPS/caster hybrid. Rumble, okay. Syndra is not DPS.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

EZ. Make Divers immune to CC when they dash in via items. :3

Ralanr1 votes

I don't see any announcement for divers.

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