Meddler, you said Assassin items would be made melee only if ranged started using them too much.

Again, you're not wrong, I just don't see it happening.

You're making valid points, and I want to agree and give my opinions. But I feel like your efforts are simply in vain right now

you could find a way to adjust the scaling on assassins vs ranged casters so that the former just needs pen to do their job but the latter needs a lot more AD

somethin like that maybe

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Tbh, either the items will be of marginal use, or they'll be gamebreaking.

There's not a way to push the items more towards assassins without ranged wanting them because both are pure AD classes. As long as it touts pure physical damage, both will want the items.

This means that the items either have to be weak enough that ranged prefer crit builds, or we continue with the mess we have.

Outside of just removing the items, melee only/reduced ranged stats may be the only 'proper' way to fix this for now.

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The only other realistic option without making the items useless for everyone would be changing all relevant ADC abilities to magic damage.

But the reason the ADC's are using them is because of how powerful the active's and passive's are ._. We literally can't survive a game against a lethality user without all the movespeed from the lethality items + .

Why do i know? Because i tried playing Ashe and despite playing well by most standards a rengar with the same stats as me down me alone into the middle of my team and oneshot me. Later on a kha6 did the a similar thing when i was walking with two others.

Doesn't help that lethality is the cheapest damage build that is pretty much strong from start to finish. Against low armor targets you deal near or actual true damage and if dealing with a tank you can always get a item and perhaps and they won't be an issue either.

Don't go pointing fingers at the ADC's. We are simply trying to stay relevant and lethality and it's items is the only current way. If you have doubts trying playing Ashe and see if you can do anything for the first 30 minutes. I as a lvl 7 Ashe could barely manage.

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The issue is that the relevant ranged champions will use it better.

If you tune Lethality to be balanced on just the melee champions, ranged will still be too strong with it and get it nerfed to the point where assassins are going back to Ravenous Hydra->pure AD builds again.

Yet Talon is performing better than every ranged AD champion using it, with only Jhin putting that statement in question.

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Talon is not anywhere near as bonkers copared to Quinn/MF/Jhin/etc.

http://lolalytics.com/champion/Talon/

Yet lolalytics ranks him the single best champion in the entire game (though a few days ago Jhin was top and Talon was second), his play rate is rapidly rising, and his win rate alone is one of the highest in the game, on par with Quinn's.

Even top lane Talon is starting to see more play and is performing extremely well.

The champion is busted beyond belief.

Good idea.

Though then we might be able to have a lethality item that grants an attack speed active.

Then we abolish critical strike for a better design in how ADCs should scale.

Then we rule the world.

do you really riots cum that much ?.....

Well I don't think that's a good idea as only 3 (4 if you count the dirk that builds into all 3 of them) items have lethality to begin with.

That would turn every assassin's build into binary "build these 3 every game" nonsense

draven needs yumous to not get kited like an animal in every fight

That's because the old Duskblade was stupid AF and needed to be reworked ASAP anyway.