I am so tired of yasuo going 0/3 but then getting one kill and snowballing like fucking crazy

koshkyra·May 29, 2018·59 votes·16,118 views

Title says it all.

This champion is complete bullshit and it amazes me how he is able to remain in such a toxic, anti-fun state for so long.

118 Comments

Giga BaboonMay 30, 201810 votes

Yasuo with conqueror and resolve isn't balanced. The only people who think that it is, when the fucker is pick or ban in fucking competitive, are yasuo fanboys and rioters selling them body pillows.

Bonus points for the fanboys on yasuomains who claim he isn't meta while MSI was going on. Facts just bounce off these degenerates.

NemeBroMay 30, 20184 votes

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The only people who think that it is, when the fucker is pick or ban in fucking competitive

Link stats?

Giga BaboonMay 30, 20184 votes

go watch msi

NemeBroMay 30, 20185 votes

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go watch msi

http://www.gamesoflegends.com/champion/picksandbans.php?season=S8&patch=ALL&tournament=Mid-Season%20Invitational%202018

Or I could look at the stats and see that you're a liar. Why you lying bruh?

Giga BaboonMay 30, 20185 votes

ite kid believe whatever you want

NemeBroMay 30, 20183 votes

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ite kid believe whatever you want

I accept your concession liar. Try to stop lying on the boards liar.

NineTailedMysticMay 30, 20186 votes

I don't see a "concession"

ChalzeMay 29, 20188 votes

His kit has so many issues, but the biggest issue among all is the fact that he has way too many tools to get up when he's down. Every champion should have theyr own outplaying chance to get back up but he has too many tools for doing so. He has little weaknesses or counterplay not just mechanically but on the entire game. Overly mobile, amazing farming and splitpushing, 4 second knockup, tank-piercing damage that doesn't scale on max HP (which is worse for squishy targets), insane chase potential, insane peel potential, insane CC, sustained burst, skillshot blocker, insane synergy with like a quarter of LoL's roster, there's just so much he can do without anyone being able to stop him from doing so.

You know a champion's design is bad when the only way he can fail is if he's actually bad, otherwise if you're even remotely average you'll stomp.

SalamencęMay 30, 20184 votes

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sustained burst

[sg-lux-2]

5050BSMay 30, 20182 votes

Dont forget resource-less

JamareeMay 29, 20187 votes

Play non mages against him.

koshkyraMay 29, 201845 votes

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Play non mages against him.

Sure i could do that, but then it brings up the topic of why should one champion be able to negate an entire CLASS of champions?

JamareeMay 29, 20186 votes

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Sure i could do that, but then it brings up the topic of why should one champion be able to negate an entire CLASS of champions?

He doesn't, walk around the wind wall, that said, what did you say here that can't be spell about any champion with a spell shield?

koshkyraMay 29, 20187 votes

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He doesn't, walk around the wind wall, that said, what did you say here that can't be spell about any champion with a spell shield?

Because there are four other champions in the game with spellshields and the only one of them who is viable mid is op rn (morg)

JamareeMay 29, 20184 votes

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Because there are four other champions in the game with spellshields and the only one of them who is viable mid is op rn (morg)

I will never understand this community, it will all dead whine about how the meta kills the viability and fun of the game but will be dead set to stick to it no matter what, you can take other champions mid, you can take a bruiser mid if the situation calls for it.

koshkyraMay 30, 201810 votes

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I will never understand this community, it will all dead whine about how the meta kills the viability and fun of the game but will be dead set to stick to it no matter what, you can take other champions mid, you can take a bruiser mid if the situation calls for it.

.. what?

FOR JUSTICEMay 29, 201811 votes

Leblanc Negates pretty much all non-anti assasin ability marksmen

Zilean Kayle Taric Negates the entire assasin roster.

Dead flag bluesMay 29, 201822 votes

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Negates pretty much all non-anti assasin ability marksmen

Negates the entire assasin roster.

Leblanc is an assassin, she' supposed to assassinate squishy targets, you could say the same about Zed Talon Rengar . It's a class countering another class

Zilean Taric are supports, they are supposed to negate assassins

On the other hand, Yasuo negates almost every single ranged, skillshot oriented champion, even if behind (don't you love being 10/0, enemy Yasuo being 0/7, coming back with item 3046 item 3155 and out-tanking and out-damaging you ?)

JamareeMay 29, 201815 votes

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On the other hand, negates almost every single ranged, skillshot oriented champion, even if behind (don't you love being 10/0, enemy Yasuo being 0/7, coming back with and out-tanking and out-damaging you ?)

If you lose to a 0/7 Yasou while 10/0, you are bad or you got outplayed.

Dead flag bluesMay 29, 201823 votes

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If you lose to a 0/7 Yasou while 10/0, you are bad or you got outplayed.

Hell ye boi, outplayed by a skill that blocks all skillshot with no downside, only the duration, while this guy has no cooldown on his main spells

JamareeMay 29, 201812 votes

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Hell ye boi, outplayed by a skill that blocks all skillshot with no downside, only the duration, while this guy has no cooldown on his main spells

Ok, upon knowing that he has said skill, why would you immediately burn your spells, bait it out, walk around it afterwards then use your shit.

At the point where you are 10/0 to his 0/7, one spell should kill him, OR, you can play mages that utterly ignore his wall and basically give him a useless skill, like Vlad and Mordekaiser.

Giga BaboonMay 30, 201821 votes

Why is it so hard for yasuo fanboys to understand there's no such thing as "bait it out" in league of legends. Stop using gameplay mechanics from other games to try and justify why yasuo is given all player agency in 80% of the match ups he plays.

The so called "bait it out" that yasuo fanboys keep crying about is literally just "wait for yasuo to be garbage, durrr". It's just pure nonsense but you can't really expect anything from yasuo players.

You know yasuo's wall can block vlad's E, right. You also know mordekaiser loses the match up now because of conqueror, right.

JamareeMay 30, 20187 votes

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Why is it so hard for yasuo fanboys to understand there's no such thing as "bait it out" in league of legends. Stop using gameplay mechanics from other games to try and justify why yasuo is given all player agency in 80% of the match ups he plays.

Yes, you can bait it out, you can either posture to use a skill and have him burn it, or use a weaker skill to force him to use it early. It does apply here, that is like saying you can't bait out Fiora riposte, or you can't bait out Rakan knock up, those terms do apply here.

You know yasuo's wall can block vlad's E, right. You also know mordekaiser loses the match up now because of conqueror, right.

You block one ability out of Vlad's four, the one that you level up second to last at that, and he can block one E every 26 seconds until end game because know Yasou is ever going to level up his windwall first.

Want to know how many times I have played Yasou, zero, I have literally never played the champion and yeah, while he is frustrating to fight for some champions, that is no reason for the constant rally of nerfs that players ask for for him. His win rate is subpar at higher elo and average everywhere else and is considered shit at higher elos, depending on the match up, he has an ability that LITERALLY does nothing, ie, by taking a brusier against him, he has an ability that quite literally just takes up a slot on his kit. People ask how is it fair that he has an ability that negates half the cast, I ask why he has an ability that does LITERALLY nothing against half the cast?

Giga BaboonMay 30, 20189 votes

that is like saying you can't bait out Fiora riposte, or you can't bait out Rakan knock up, those terms do apply here

YOU CAN'T. Get it through your skull, in league of legends, if you managed to "bait out" an ability, it's because your opponent misplayed. It has literally nothing to do with you. There is absolutely NO system in this game where you can ever pressure an opponent to force them to use a defensive ability, because every ability has an animation you can react to and there is no gameplay mechanic like knockdowns in fighting games that puts you in an actual literal positional advantage to possibly bait out a defensive ability from someone trying to stave off pressure. None of this shit exists in league. League is 100% reactive.

Getting fucksuo to use windwall on a "weaker" ability isn't baiting anything. Like wtf does this even mean. If the yasuo is wasting windwall on a "weaker" ability (like there are so many abilities per champion this is ever possible), that's not baiting shit, that's him making the decision to use windwall on a weaker ability.

You block one ability out of Vlad's four

Yeah cause he's going to be killing you with his W right.

JamareeMay 30, 20183 votes

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YOU CAN'T. Get it through your skull, in league of legends, if you managed to "bait out" an ability, it's because your opponent misplayed. It has literally nothing to do with you. There is absolutely NO system in this game where you can ever pressure an opponent to force them to use a defensive ability, because every ability has an animation you can react to and there is no gameplay mechanic like knockdowns in fighting games that puts you in an actual literal positional advantage to possibly bait out a defensive ability from someone trying to stave off pressure. None of this shit exists in league. League is 100% reactive.

Getting fucksuo to use windwall on a "weaker" ability isn't baiting anything. Like wtf does this even mean. If the yasuo is wasting windwall on a "weaker" ability (like there are so many abilities per champion this is ever possible), that's not baiting shit, that's him making the decision to use windwall on a weaker ability.

Which is baiting it out, you are burning it, you are playing around it, you are sacrificing your tiniest ability to remove his own defenses for 26 seconds, you are forcing him to use it.

Yeah cause he's going to be killing you with his W right.

No, with your Q, your main skill.

ZapMyHeartMay 30, 20188 votes

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Which is baiting it out, you are burning it, you are playing around it, you are sacrificing your tiniest ability to remove his own defenses for 26 seconds, you are forcing him to use it.

No, with your Q, your main skill.

Wrong. He still has his E and his Flow Shield to fall back on for defense.

inb4 don't fight when your minions are around and you need to drop his shield.

The fact is, there is a only a sliver of window where his defenses are null to actually punish Yasuo. Meanwhile, he can do what he pleases by throwing out Q3 and hope they connect to follow up with R -> E and demolish your lifebar at pretty much any point.

The Bardic GayMay 30, 201810 votes

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Yes, you can bait it out, you can either posture to use a skill and have him burn it, or use a weaker skill to force him to use it early. It does apply here, that is like saying you can't bait out Fiora riposte, or you can't bait out Rakan knock up, those terms do apply here.

They really don't in yas' case though my dude. The concept of baiting out is most prevelent in fighting games where reversal moves generally have a universal weakness of having long recovery times so if you get baited into using it and it gets blocked, you get punished. This applies well to fiora and rakan. When they misuse their respective Ws then you can immediately punish them for it. The both of them need to stand still for a breif period to get those abilities off so it makes punishing easier. Because of how windwall lingers for 3-4 seconds, and it doesnt hamper his movement in any way, the ability to act out a proper punish is just not their unless the yasuo completely screws the pooch and positions like an ape or windwalls in the wrong direction. Instead he gets a grace period to rectify his positioning

This is all of course, assuming he is matched up against a mage, (or marksman i guess) who lack the manuverability to circumvent windwall 9 times out of 10, or who's combo starters tend to begin with a skillshot. Fucking up a windwall is actually punishable by other champion classes most of the time.

JamareeMay 30, 20183 votes

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They really don't in yas' case though my dude. The concept of baiting out is most prevelent in fighting games where reversal moves generally have a universal weakness of having long recovery times so if you get baited into using it and it gets blocked, you get punished. This applies well to fiora and rakan. When they misuse their respective Ws then you can immediately punish them for it. The both of them need to stand still for a breif period to get those abilities off so it makes punishing easier. Because of how windwall lingers for 3-4 seconds, and it doesnt hamper his movement in any way, the ability to act out a proper punish is just not their unless the yasuo completely screws the pooch and positions like an ape or windwalls in the wrong direction. Instead he gets a grace period to rectify his positioning

This is all of course, assuming he is matched up against a mage, (or marksman i guess) who lack the manuverability to circumvent windwall 9 times out of 10, or who's combo starters tend to begin with a skillshot. Fucking up a windwall is actually punishable by other champion classes most of the time.

Exactly, that is what so many people fail to understand or take note of. It is an incredibly powerful ability that does negate a lot of a power of a lot of mages, but what so few people take into retrospect is to see that against certain champions it is useless. Depending on your team comp, you can have an ability that does nothing. Sure, we are never going to get to a point in this game where ADCs aren't nessecary, but if you have a caster that doesn't use ranged abilities that can't be intercepted, or a bruiser, he has an ability in his kit that doesn't literally nothing. It has to be powerful in some regard because if it wasn't, it would be shit.

If people were willing to try new things, actually try different champions, play the god damn champion, they would see and understand that he isn't as threatening as the forums make him out to be, because I can damn near guarantee that 50% of the people who hate Yasou and want him nerf have NEVER played him.

NineTailedMysticMay 30, 20185 votes

Yasuo is a prime example of why hard counters shouldn't exist.

KarunamonMay 30, 20184 votes

the ability to act out a proper punish is just not their unless the yasuo completely screws the pooch and positions like an ape or windwalls in the wrong direction

Not even then, because the windwall starts at his center, meaning he can cast it in completely the wrong direction and still negate your skillshot if he timed it right.

Handy Sandy May 30, 20184 votes

But....you can bait out a lot of things from a ton of champions...

What else is the counterplay to champions like Ahri Anivia Fizz Lux Morgana Leblanc Zac Cassiopeia Chogath Ezreal Jayce c'mon this is basic knowledge

Every champion in the game has a moment of weakness and if you fight them while they're at their strongests (having all of their abilities up in most cases) you will lose unless you are playing a strong 1v1 champion.

Herald Est MorsMay 30, 20185 votes

because after two items he 3 shots all none fed top lane bruisers. I am assuming you play Yasuo, and cannot deny the fact that PD and IE let you 3 shot most supports, ADCS, and midlaners. How can you bait out somebody who knows you cant touch them, you cant play a game of chicken with Yasuo, because youll die before you have the chance to take advantage of any misplay from him. Fuck dude on my main I had a little under 300000 mastery points on him cause he is fun to play, and extremely op in low elo, and I can admit to him being broken as all hell and in need of a serious tunedown... wouldn't you like him to be just weak enough to where he doesn't get banned almost every game.... can't even play him in draft anymore.

SuozaharMay 30, 20183 votes

Where does he get permabanned? I'm playing in low diamond high plat atm and he's open almost 80% of my games?

Over InnsmouthMay 30, 20185 votes

Windwall blocks the return-heal for Q and completely blocks E.

Where are you getting your information from?

JamareeMay 30, 20182 votes

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Windwall blocks the return-heal for Q and completely blocks E.

Where are you getting your information from?

Doesn't stop the damage of the Q and yeah, I said that, it blocks his E, but that is ONE ability, he stops one of your ability that has a short CD to use his defense tool that has a long CD, sounds favorable to me.

Over InnsmouthMay 30, 20182 votes

Sure, except Vladimir is incredibly reliant on his cooldowns to do anything. Yasuo can blow Windwall and it doesnt negatively impact his ability to to damage or even move, whereas Vladimir's just lost a significant part of his damage for that trade.

After which Yasuo can use his low CD everything else and AA's to have his way with Vlad.

It's certainly not favourable to Vlad, especially when Yasuo has used his defensive tool to full effectiveness - which is to say completely nullifying part of someone elses kit.

Nanolathe11May 30, 20182 votes

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Hell ye boi, outplayed by a skill that blocks all skillshot with no downside, only the duration, while this guy has no cooldown on his main spells

it always amazes me that they allow a normal skill (q, e, w) to block or counter an ultimate. THAT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN. theres a reason its called an ultimate skill, it shouldnt be that easy to block. now an ult cancelling another ult, i can get down with that

ShaolinToiletMay 30, 20184 votes

How the fuck are people downvoting you and thinking that if you're fed dying to a feeding yasuo is not your fault. This is why people never take silver players seriously on the boards

GraviroseMay 31, 20182 votes

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How the fuck are people downvoting you and thinking that if you're fed dying to a feeding yasuo is not your fault. This is why people never take silver players seriously on the boards

Literally most people who are constantly complaining about Yasuo are low elo players lol, lose vs Yasuo then automatically creates a new post about Yasuo and how Riot is garbage company to allow his existence as a champion. "Hes too OP" "Windwall is broken" "UGH Yasuo NEEDS nerfs"

Spicy RiceMay 30, 20185 votes

I mean, he doesn't.

Off the top of my head, Viktor, Malz, Azir, Annie, Xerath, Anivia, Taliyah, LB are all pretty decent against him, and even then, you can beat yasuo with mages he counters like lux, tf, veigar, etc if you know what you are doing.

People complain about windwall being so op against mages, but you can bait it out pretty easily. Take lux for example. In lane, you can spam e at him and chunk him level 1-2, as long as you are sitting in your minions so he can't attack you without taking aggro.

Later on in the lane, you can easily sit back and farm at max range, and if he walks up to zone you, throw out your q. He will windwall it, but now, he has no windwall for 26 secs, while your q will come back in 10.

Voila, you have baited out windwall by forcing yasuo to use it defensively, meaning he cannot use it offensively to engage on you. You now have control of the lane for 20 secs

AR URFMay 30, 20187 votes

I'm so tired of assassins going 0/3 and then they get item 3147 and demolish any squishy.

koshkyraMay 30, 20187 votes

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I'm so tired of assassins going 0/3 and then they get and demolish any squishy.

i mean you're not wrong

KVbqbFsC8eMay 29, 20186 votes

I can't disagree about Yasuo being anti-fun, but Conqueror is the problem.

5050BSMay 30, 20182 votes

Conqueror is just a problem all around. Not just on Yasuo

Red WreckageMay 30, 20186 votes

I've seen more threads about this happening than actually having seen this happening since I started playing back around patch 5.3.

About 97% of times, a 0-3 Yasuo's end game score is like 1-12-6.

For a non-support melee high AD carry champ, Yasuo is probably also the only one with more average deaths then average kills.

tl;dr: git gud.

plz

SB ArneemanMay 30, 20183 votes

If they do badly it's mostly because they suck though. Yasuos kit is simply unbalanced, especially with the new runes. He has mobility, damage, one of the best utility spells in the game, he's resourceless, has low cooldowns, a free shield, has CC, is pretty strong early and scales well. His strength is also way too dependant on the matchup, he can literally make some mages completely useless.

FrozenDeath14May 30, 20184 votes

It's funny how for the most part people below diamond cry about yasuo AKA they have NEVER EVER faced a good Yasuo and they are just garbage at the game panicking when someone hard engages on them and blow their entire rotation on a wall Yasuo put before he even ulted them.

Also the Yasuo beeing 0-4 proves the point even further that you are in a dogshit elo and you don't know how to play.NOBODY has a problem dealing with Yasuo and i don't really see people like ZWAG a Xerath onetrick having any problem vs high dia Yasuo's and he still outscales and shits on them. The solution to the Yasuo problem? permaban everyone below Gold.

KZ EngelMay 30, 20183 votes

i love the yasuo meter

AHeroNamedHawkeMay 30, 20182 votes

Every time someone makes this thread their entire team is hugely behind at 10 minutes, but they're somehow baffled that 1 champion on the opposing team starts to come back after a poor early performance

You were literally down 6000 gold 14 minutes into the game, what did you expect?

0DESTROYERZ0May 30, 20182 votes

You mind linking what game your talking about? from what i see on your op.gg, you played 41 min ranked game 2 days ago that had an enemy yasuo in it. He got first blood on you, you then killed him 2 times in lane, and then he later kills you and your jungler in lane. If this was a game on a different account mind linking it cause from what I'm getting, you're all hot air.