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95% of the things wrong with the game right now are just symptoms of the insane damage.

koshkyra··237 votes·23,752 views

Why are turrets so weak? Because every fight is over in 1.5 seconds, so nobody even has time to take damage from the turret if you're fighting under one.

Why are objectives so weak? Because it takes literally 2-3 people about 10 seconds to do a dragon and 20 seconds to do a baron.

Why is the LCS losing viewers? Because the high damage causes pro-players to interact less since one wrong move and you die, which results in a boring game.

Why do 2/3 of games end by 30 minutes? Because the high damage makes people snowball way more so teams have virtually 0 chance of coming back if someone, particularly an assassin, gets fed.

Why has the viable champion pool been massively shrunk? Because a good amount of champions just cannot exist in a meta where you either blow up someone in 0.5 seconds or get blown up in 0.5 seconds.

Why are sustained-damage champions (like ADCs) able to oneshot you? Because if you cant oneshot someone you aren't viable.

Stop treating the symptoms and cure the disease already.

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Abibyama II57 votes

My toast also turned out too dark because of the high damage meta

saltran32 votes

That's Activision fault, wait, wrong forum.

That's Tencent fault.

Hypochondria946 votes

It's because of keystones and runes reforged making early damage way higher than before. Defenses can't keep up, unless you're fed on a tank you are not tanky and get melted like everyone else.

TheSingularity22 votes

That and def item nerfs, offensive item buffs and a lack of compensation changes to both

UnstopableBTW39 votes

still find it great how riot never notices these posts . like they know their game is losing players because of how shit and annoying its becoming but they still wont actually address the issue. but hey how bout another lux skin aye?

xDelightifyx2 votes

I just broke down laughing, when i saw the video where some Rioters are saying that LoL reached 100 million players. They were so proud, but did not mention the fact that 3/4 of those accounts are smurfs or inactive players, making that statement a hillarious joke :D

Raiyza37 votes

Guys, I am so sorry to say this, but Riot isn't going to reverse direction. It's over.

The only good thing coming from Riot is the artwork and lore. That's it, and unfortunately, that's where the money is coming from.

King Jarvan6 votes

True, unfortunately.

Exin011 votes

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Guys, I am so sorry to say this, but Riot isn't going to reverse direction. It's over.

The only good thing coming from Riot is the artwork and lore. That's it, and unfortunately, that's where the money is coming from.

And its damaging for them like if they want rework LOL to new Battlerite they should do it here and now and not trying to have this half baked mix between quick time event and strategy. I just say market is oversaturated with Battlerite like games on PC and mobile they dont have chance if they try go this way on other hand there is completely lack of slower paced strategy games with actual meaningfull choices even great games like Command & Conquer franchise get killed by decision to remove strategy element for neverending skirmish who zerg who first in Tiberium Twilight

Beast Brawler4 votes

Honestly they could have just made an Arena mode or something and theme it around Glatiatorial Combat, or just put you and someone else in a pit after buying items and at level 18 and let you duke it out or something. Maybe even just a smaller map for 1v1 games, like Smite's Joust where it's a good map for 1v1 or 3v3, with only a single lane. I want Summoner's Rift to be the hub of strategical and thought out combat where you have teams where each champion has a purpose and fights last a while and tanks can tank and marksmen do sustained damage not sustained burst/bps. I just want defensive items buffed and the runes reverted, and move the towr plating gold to the dragons. That way objective control is actually important like it used to be, and also give the objectives increased defenses so they aren't so easy to kill.

KFCeytron18 votes

I buy a Zhonya's so that I have an invulnerability button.

I'm at full health.

I get attacked.

I begin to move my finger to my Zhonya's hotkey.

I die before I can press the button.

saltran1 votes

Your fault

KFCeytron6 votes

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Your fault

Rude.

saltran17 votes

83% of the stadistics you see on internet are made up.

Tahminatrix 40 votes

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83% of the stadistics you see on internet are made up.

stadistics = sadist statistics ?

saltran18 votes

English sometimes it's hard, dont judge me.

Śhunpo9 votes

Apparently common sense and average observational skills are hard as well. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Ęsdeath5 votes

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English sometimes it's hard, dont judge me.

is*, "it" is completely worthless there.

ArvDaBeast5 votes

How do we know your statistic wasn’t made up?

weasley0093 votes

/r/wooosh

Irelia Bot3 votes

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How do we know your statistic wasn’t made up?

It is a bit of an exaggeration but not by much

Just checking Annie's stats https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/home/

59.67% are over before 30 minutes 83.6 are over before 35 minutes.

And while there is some deviation between champions that is a common story.

Witch of Babylon3 votes

That is literally the fucking joke

Anchorit Wracaj16 votes

Why 2/3 games end at 30 minutes? You mean why 2/3 games end at 20 minutes,and once somonoe gains lead,theres not even an imagination to comeback? Cus they're tryning to destroy the game as hard as they can.Buffing offense,nerfing deffense..and then they ask...why are ADC in shit place?

Leetri3 votes

If 2/3 games end at 20 minutes that means 1/3 games end at 50 minutes since the average game time is still around 28-30 minutes for the average ranks.

Nausicäa 15 votes

Amazes me how this thread could get downvoted for speaking the truth

Black Inked Sky2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nausicäa ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sc0g0vOm,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-12-30T05:54:36.289+0000)

Amazes me how this thread could get downvoted for speaking the truth

Because Riot has endorsed a community culture where it's more funny to meme the problem than to actually acknowledge it so the fanbase that started less than six months ago is still stuck in the "puns of dmg" stage of development. Meanwhile at Riot HQ it's literally a den of men making jokes about one eyed monsters and when no doesn't mean no while fondling themselves so they can't bother making adjustments, but they do have plenty of input for skin ideas for the next female champion.

Aseraan2 votes

Its always been like this.

AirKingNeo9 votes

I wouldn't say that. Poor design decisions are 99% of the game's problems.

Pandemic Punch7 votes

It is also a symptom of tanks and enchanters being nerfed out. The two classes most responsible for preventing damage to teammates.

Krytoric6 votes

"Why are sustained-damage champions (like ADCs) able to oneshot you? Because if you cant oneshot someone you aren't viable." There isn't an adc atm that can one shot lol

UnstopableBTW5 votes

draven, jhin, kaisa, ezreal, and caitlyn one shot you.

ArvDaBeast5 votes

And mf

UnstopableBTW4 votes

Oh i forgot mf. one of the worst ones tbh. thanks babe <3

NiamhNyx3 votes

I one shot someone with a ezreal w->q earlier this week and got one shot by a kalista a couple of times.

Charmy Bird2 votes

dude have u played ezreal?his w q can fck u up so badly

The Patriachy6 votes

Problem is the game is broken at multiple levels.

If you nerf damage, you're going to be left with the cancer that is aftershock + warmogs meta. Essence reaver will also be completely broken in any non oneshot meta.

I'd actually say the game may not be salvagable at this point since Riot has compounded the problem by trying to fix broken shit with even more broken shit.

Phiddy Cent5 votes

I think you have to nerf damage and sustain.

Nerfing damage so it is much lower, but make sure that damage sticks. Taking bad trades should be meaningful. Not just you 100-0 someone or they recover the full damage in a few seconds.

Irasiel2 votes

Who could you ever be talking about?...

Pyke Hum...no clue

Keshaun4 votes

Completely agree my friend!

Anchorit Wracaj4 votes

So...after one year of talking about how dmg creep is insane...what is riot doing? BUFFING DMG EVEN MORE IN 9.1 PATCH. Attack speed in offense is Increased,every single champion is getting more damage to his kit etc... Lmao if u think u will change anything,We need to make sure we get an legacy lol server like in patch 4.20 or something,so we can enjoy it there.Or season 5.

Slythrin Umbreon4 votes

Ironically, Baron is too easy because they nerfed it's damage. Other that that, keep up the good fight o/

GreatWhiteNorth3 votes

Because high dmg and mobility for the LCS looks good.

JeaneGreene3 votes

This whole meta is because enchanters (as a class) have been dumpstered in response to the ardent censor meta. They keep marksmen alive, who in turn kill tanks, who in turn stop burst mages and so on and so forth. However, when enchanters are removed from the equation, marksmen die faster, and thus burst mages and assassins have an easy time killing their target, making tanks weaker on all fronts. If the enchanter was brought back (by buffing their defensive tools and nerfing gold income), I think the meta would balance out. Burst would become worse, and tanks could play their part as an anti burst wall.

Jesus is Savior3 votes

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This whole meta is because enchanters (as a class) have been dumpstered in response to the ardent censor meta. They keep marksmen alive, who in turn kill tanks, who in turn stop burst mages and so on and so forth. However, when enchanters are removed from the equation, marksmen die faster, and thus burst mages and assassins have an easy time killing their target, making tanks weaker on all fronts. If the enchanter was brought back (by buffing their defensive tools and nerfing gold income), I think the meta would balance out. Burst would become worse, and tanks could play their part as an anti burst wall.

This isn't true, because enchanters were broken because of the damage meta too. There are SO MANY shield now, and they're HUGE... And there never used to be. Essentially, "shield creep" became a thing in response to the damage creep, but unlike damage creep Riot actually did something about it (because one-shotting is fun, but getting your one-shot denied by a 3k hp shield is not)

Exin01 votes

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This isn't true, because enchanters were broken because of the damage meta too. There are SO MANY shield now, and they're HUGE... And there never used to be. Essentially, "shield creep" became a thing in response to the damage creep, but unlike damage creep Riot actually did something about it (because one-shotting is fun, but getting your one-shot denied by a 3k hp shield is not)

riot make decision that games must be shorter and most effective solution is just gut defense what i dont understand is what is final goal is 20min 10 min or random number generator just decide winner or what? ther are tons of patches about snowballing harder and shifting from team based gameplay to solo carry with four bystanders and then they say hmm this part of game is short we must make it longer or after years of guting towers they buff them like what they want? champion balancing is same, look at lee sin patches throu years he gets hit by nerfs over and over and over for some reason and then every single nerf get reverted and even buffed only some mechanics remain unchanget but damage reverted and buffed but other champs gets hit by nerfs probably justly at the time but never changed back even after years

Paroe3 votes

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riot make decision that games must be shorter and most effective solution is just gut defense what i dont understand is what is final goal is 20min 10 min or random number generator just decide winner or what? ther are tons of patches about snowballing harder and shifting from team based gameplay to solo carry with four bystanders and then they say hmm this part of game is short we must make it longer or after years of guting towers they buff them like what they want? champion balancing is same, look at lee sin patches throu years he gets hit by nerfs over and over and over for some reason and then every single nerf get reverted and even buffed only some mechanics remain unchanget but damage reverted and buffed but other champs gets hit by nerfs probably justly at the time but never changed back even after years

What people dont seem to realize is that riots bottom line has shifted from a western-oriented market to an eastern-oriented one.
In the east, a majority of people play games like league of legends at things like net cafes - or at least enough to make riot change how the game functions for them.

The BE changes are also VERY clearly targeting the eastern market, a market in which the endless monotonous grind is extremely popular... In the west that isnt very popular. Riot NEEDS to come out and say "this game is now intended for china and korea" and re-balance accordingly, instead of this half assed wishy washy playing both sides of the aisle that theyve been doing since IP system was scrapped.

Politur grime3 votes

100% truth nothing to add here.

Highwind72 votes

Agreed, tone down the damage. Pro play is boring as fuck to watch. The only times that are mildly entertaining are the team fights that don't occur till 25-30 minutes into the game. This game is trash. Lets change the matchmaking system? What fucking changes. 1st ranked game of the day I was placed with a bot lane that died 3v2 (we had advantage) and then continued to feed the rest of the game. 2nd ranked game, no way it could be as bad, little did I know, I was in for a surprise. Enemy jungler ganks me (top laner) first at lvl 3-4 and then our bot lane proceeds to die 2v2, and then continues to die 2v2 the rest of the game. I am facing a 14 day suspension for flaming my team, meanwhile those wonderful adc's and supports won't have to face anything and will be able to continue to ruin games with their feeding and inting. They have a mute function to mute teammates. You can mute unhelpful teammates, I can't fucking mute someone inting. Just a thought. Fuck this game.

I am 122 votes

The problems with league is Runes reforged, Mages and Bruisers most of the classes arent too good atm like assassins there are 3 or 4 good assassins atm, adcs early game is really bad and tanks just get deleted why even bother playing a tank when you can play a bruiser and deal damage meanwhile you survive longer then a tank.

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