She is basically trash can tier right now, which is doubly worse because you created a meta where tank junglers are bottom tier as it is. I'm sick of Graves jungle in every game. I want to actually see real diversity in the jungle. I feel like the jungle gets as much attention from Riot as Twisted Treeline.
ProffessorAutism26 votesTanks:"Papa riot can we be viable?" Riot:"How did you get the chains of?BACK TO THE BASEMENT WITH YOU OR YOU GONNA CATCH THESE NERFS BOI"
Ragnaveil2 votesPretty much. Toplane: We don't like tanks anymore, we want to kill our heads off with broken shit [Drops every top lane tank]. Sion: Hold my beer. [Gives beer to every other tank as they watch from the sidelines because one simple change isn't being considered to allow them to be viable just a bit]. Me: Well fuck me I guess. So much for putting a ton of effort into Maokai and Ornn.
ProffessorAutism1 votesat least we have urgod
,the tank that pokes you,with a sharp stick,with explosives at the end,and thers ebola infected blood on it as well
MarkedOfKane24 votesRevert her. I don't give a shit about the LCS.
Heimerdinger Bot9 votesRevert her. I don't give a shit about the LCS.
Agreed, I cant see how Riot could possibly make Sejuani's current kit balanced with just number tweaking; she either needs another rework of atleast 1 or 2 abilities or a simple revert. I know everyone likes to complain about how weak old Sejuani was outside of her ultimate but there is no denying that she was a much more fair and balanced champion with that kit.
Kaìju1 votesHonestly her new R is fine she just needs a change to her E and W. I liked her old W and I think her current E is okay but it should be eight stacks, melee apply 2 ranged apply 1. That way she can't just instastack with W auto but she does not suffer as much from being only one of two melees or so.
Nevrankroaton5 votesI played old and new sejuani often, old sejuani feel boring as fuck compared to the new one. What would a revert accomplish exactly?
Sejuani strength come from her ultimate, I rather have this kind of CC work with her E and passive than having a glorified sunfire cape with some slow.
Sure it ws fun to know when my stats were high enough I would glue to someone and have enough dps to kill them, but I rather have the kind of choice the new one offer me with E than just statchecking peeps, I have Mundo for that thank you.
Also her W is a satisfying to use spell.
It is okay to admit a kit is problematic because of an 'iconic' spell that people would kill riot for removing despite it being the main reason this champ is picked in the first place.
Kynami9 votesOld kit had viable AP bruiser path you could go to rapidly close a game out where you got ahead. Furthermore the auto-reset and a couple other features let me rapidly trash can somebody not respecting my burst at level 3. You also had a much faster push to help crash a wave into turret for the reset. Not to mention a few people could also play her mid with the old kit. Most of this you really can't do anymore.
Acanthus3 votesWhat this guy said. I didn't play old sej as a tank, I played her as the rare ap bruiser because, back then, diversifying your damage types was a major advantage. She only had hard cc on her ult and a minor stun/displacement on her q, but she could slow and she had damage. We're not talking crazy burst (although you could actually do that if you wanted to be completely squishy), but like space aids type damage where she would steadily chew through your hp if left alone. The difference being that you had to be on top of them to actually accomplish that. Her weaknesses were pretty clear too. She was very kitable, though if she caught you, she'd probably stay on you between iceborn and her e slow. Though you did have time to find a wall to flash or cc her, or depending on positioning, get saved.
Heimerdinger Bot3 votesWhat this guy said. I didn't play old sej as a tank, I played her as the rare ap bruiser because, back then, diversifying your damage types was a major advantage. She only had hard cc on her ult and a minor stun/displacement on her q, but she could slow and she had damage. We're not talking crazy burst (although you could actually do that if you wanted to be completely squishy), but like space aids type damage where she would steadily chew through your hp if left alone. The difference being that you had to be on top of them to actually accomplish that. Her weaknesses were pretty clear too. She was very kitable, though if she caught you, she'd probably stay on you between iceborn and her e slow. Though you did have time to find a wall to flash or cc her, or depending on positioning, get saved.
You put it extremely well, this is how I played Sejuani also. I hate the notion that old Sejuani was a weak champion without her ultimate, her basic abilities were extremely underrated by a majority of the player-base. Like you said, if you weren't properly peeled you could melt the back and front line because of the many ways you scaled throughout the game with enemy max HP damage, damage based on your HP, good AP scaling and good base damages; all this with well defined weaknesses like you said. She wasn't just a straight CC tank like she is now, she was an amazingly fun AP bruiser who could be played a multitude of different ways such as a bruiser diver, an almost assassin if you wanted to go that path, a tank who focused on peeling, and many other ways. Hell, a good amount of players even played her support. She was just so diverse with what you could do and I really dislike how those options were taken away from her, turning her into a one-dimensional CC bot.
PapaGreg211 votesThe problem with old sejuani is that she was completely defenseless in the first 5 minutes of the game. She was like amumu in that you just invade her and blow her up over and over and never allow her to scale into a powerhouse. They could have made her viable by simply giving her jungle camp damage with her slow and goofy auto attack and she would have been very viable.
Acanthus1 votesIf she were reverted right now, she would struggle early with gromp and blue and red buffs, but excel at raptors, wolves, and krugs with just 
. It would be simple to (depending on which side you spawn on) leash blue/red, rotate to wolves/raptor, smite one of the scuttles, then head to mid lane and leech 2 minions worth of exp to hit 3. Boom, you're online.
Ragnaveil19 votesI feel like the jungle gets as much attention from Riot as Twisted Treeline.
Tons of people who play jg will say that is false. These guys have been at least hit with major changes 2 or 3 times a year that they have to relearn new champs, and new clear routes.
PapaGreg212 votesI should say "good attention." The jungle has been messed up ever since scuttle. It's been a have and have not because the whole game is predicated now on ganking at level 2 and taking scuttles. If a jungler is less good than Graves, Xin, Lee or a few others at doing that, they get heavily outmatched. Riot doesn't care though because they want to force feed more interaction with those junglers at the expense of the rest of the roster for LCS ratings.
Acanthus2 votesI should say "good attention." The jungle has been messed up ever since scuttle. It's been a have and have not because the whole game is predicated now on ganking at level 2 and taking scuttles. If a jungler is less good than Graves, Xin, Lee or a few others at doing that, they get heavily outmatched. Riot doesn't care though because they want to force feed more interaction with those junglers at the expense of the rest of the roster for LCS ratings.
While yes, jungle has been pushed from level 3 spikes to level 2 spikes in terms of efficiency, you can substitute early dueling with mobility or heavy cc if you want to contest scuttler. 
are all examples of champions who can jungle, contest, and gank well even when they can't 1v1. People don't like to play champs who require teamwork though, and Riot has done a poor job of incentivizing the playstyle though because death is the best cc, and death comes quicker than ever unless you have tank scalings (in the form of damage reduction, shields, or defense steroids) in your kit. But if you build into that to be a controller, you generally can't 1v1 unless you have health or armor scaling damage also and people prefer to be self-sufficient/generalist... which incentivizes damage builds.
Ratpie12 votesOr just revert her. She used to be really fun until her rework killed her. I knew several junglers that loved playing her, but wont touch her now.
T R E L L D O M11 votesi guess 44% winrate 0.8% playrate is not low enough to get riots attention
Bloodrage Shadow10 votesOutside of the support role and Sion/Poppy, tanks are just straight garbage right now in soloq. Let's be honest, Sej is just another victim of being OP as hell in pro play but absolute trash in soloq.
Same thing as Ornn/Ryze/Gnar/Azir. If she's good in soloq then she's probably gonna be OP in pro play unfortunately.
Nea10410 votes8.18: "We're also hitting Glacial Prison's zoning utility, a strength best leveraged by pro players, to keep her competitive presence in check..."
They explicitely admitted they balance their Champions not for who actually plays their game. No need of this confession, of course, also because they can't balance anything at all. But, I think that there's no point trying to argue.
We all have seen how Season 8 has been, and how they didn't care --- about making their own game FUN. Wanna bet on S9? :P
Cavesloth7 votesThere have been some great suggestions on the Sejuani subreddit how to rework her that would be a great compromise between her old and new playstyles, that'd be a good starting point.
OHminus7 votesShe needs to reach 0% winrate before Riot actually notices something's wrong
love hurts most3 votesSejuani crit is over the roof tops
Lmfao jk, she do lack damage
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Sejuani crit is over the roof tops
Lmfao jk, she do lack damage
Damn next time I get her in ARAM I am going full crit build because it is no doubt better than trying to use any of her trash abilities that do nothing and have zero scaling or buying tank gear when she doesn't have some bs passive or ability that makes her immortal.
Gilgayu3 votesbut we definitely need wayyyy more ap junglers
TheOtherWoman3 votesNope, she’s is going to be balanced around pro play just like kalista and azir
FridgeD3 votesyes really simple change: revert her! noone wants to play against a champ with 5 fcking forms of cc in the kit! noone!
old sej was playable bruiser style, she was fun and fair. new sej is a dumb cc machine with too much of everything: you got burst? ha, look my braindead passive! wanna play your champ? here is 4 secs of straight cc! but atleast she got no dmg, right? 25% max life magic dmg on release XD
Gilgayu2 votesTbh, a lot of junglers can do quite well in this meta (Xin Zhao, J4, Nunu if you r good, ww, kayn, kha'zix, graves, lee sin, yi, elise, or even rek'sai, etc.)
problem is... jg mains don't bother to learn many champs since there isn't really a laning phase for them, so countering the other jungler isn't that big of a problem — causing jungle choices to be very "limited" and repetitive
Infernape2 votesI just want the same for Ornn tbh. Fun playing a gimped champ because of pro play.
Marothennan1 votesI agree, delete her
TheOtherWoman2 votesI agree, delete her
Kalista is also crying in the corner, if they do buff Sejuani they better buff kalista, or just let them be balanced around pro
Marothennan1 votesKalista is also crying in the corner, if they do something about Sejuani they better do something about kalista, or just let them be balanced around pro
I agree, delete her too
TheOtherWoman2 votesI agree, delete her too
No, lmao they need to buff them both not delete them
Marothennan1 votesYes, it's very fun when they are strong
TheOtherWoman1 votesYes, it's very fun when they are strong
Now u know how us kalista mains feel about her being balanced around proplay.
RyzeTheSmurfMage1 votes*cries in 
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5050BS1 votes100% her E needs to be a click and ALL that are in range that have the stacks are rooted (like how it use to work)
Volocaust1 votesGood. She's not fun and a low IQ champ for people who can't jungle or path
imprôvise1 votesincrease damage, lower utility, keep tankiness the same. Ez
WoodenCreature1 votesI suggested separate patches for pro play & solo q so we do not get our champs gutted because someone won a game in LCK with sejuani or zac for example. All i got was hate and downvotes. Giving out worthless arguments.
hhaavviikk1 votesSejunai has had her time in the spotlight - Riot
FlameHalbrdOkido1 voteschange her E and dont make her a stun bot then she can be viable