7.16 juggernaut

Big Lincoln·Aug 18, 2017·32 votes·2,442 views

need nerf -

need tuneup -

need buff -

just right -

who this

i will give riot a overall B+ good job

84 Comments

bànAug 18, 201723 votes

Volibear buffs? Lol nah. Let him suffer.

Big LincolnAug 18, 20179 votes

call peta

Variks the LoyalAug 18, 201719 votes

Skarner - I WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGgV8WUQWPk

ClementineAug 18, 201713 votes

Volibear and Udyr don't need buffs, they need reworks. The whole "run like a monkey and hit/flip people" gameplay design is toxic af and there's no room for any skill expression whatsoever. It's never good to completely balance a champ around their movement speed.

Brain Errör 404Aug 19, 20171 votes

Because Nasus and Garen offer such viable counterplayble with less toxic designs.

Q RenAug 19, 20171 votes

CC and kiting

BârdAug 19, 20171 votes

QSS and wards in bushes

Brain Errör 404Aug 19, 20171 votes

Now, tell me, in all honesty, how that makes ANY sense compared to what I was replying to? Udyr and Volibear, by that nature, would have the seem counterplay. All 4 of them are stat check champions that involve simply running up to a person and trying to stick on them.

Professor WardAug 19, 20171 votes

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and don't need buffs, they need reworks. The whole "run like a monkey and hit/flip people" gameplay design is toxic af and there's no room for any skill expression whatsoever. It's never good to completely balance a champ around their movement speed.

In fact i think its the opposite, the reason these champs seem to "suck" is because people dont understand how to pull off an engage without being teleported by some ability right under their enemy's feet.

To me, poor play on them shows lack of skill, not the other way around.

My brother is a diamond voli one trick and still gets flamed for winning :D. its popularity with voli, hes not flashy so peeps deem him shitty. When in fact he has one of the most consistent level 3 ganks in the game

Eternal791Aug 19, 20171 votes

Yeah, usually when I see an Udyr or Volibear, they tend to kick but. They really don't need buffs.

Pumping IronAug 18, 201710 votes

item 3053 buff or item 3193 nerf

Big LincolnAug 18, 20175 votes

sterak buff for sure

Professor WardAug 19, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w32fLwbF,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-08-18T23:27:29.380+0000)

sterak buff for sure

as long as it makes item 3078 stronger, its gonna be underpowered

DragonSheaAug 19, 20171 votes

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as long as it makes stronger, its gonna be underpowered

Tri-Sheen right now is being used the most by my man Yorick And it fucking hurts.

SpoofghoulAug 19, 20176 votes

Nah

they can now be combined into one item

Steraks stone plate 500hp 50 armor 50 mr 50% base ad Now grants a 75% bonus hp shield everytime more then one enemy comes near and it doubles your resistances and base ad if you take damage, because you shouldn't take damage and you should punch people who tickle you

The active now doubles your hp permanently and for a while turns you golden and untargetable but you can still move around and cast shit and trample people, until out of combat

BananaJannanaAug 18, 20178 votes

Wukong needs a rework #NeverForget

Big LincolnAug 18, 20172 votes

make him a juggernaut

rework trundleAug 18, 20174 votes

*assassin (single targeted)

Big LincolnAug 18, 20173 votes

no more monkey dash

PennsAug 18, 20176 votes

nerf susan hehe

Big LincolnAug 18, 201718 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/5e88d30e8e5aa1dcded3471db8ccff84.png

u wouldn't nerf a pupper, would u?

PennsAug 18, 201710 votes

i... w... aight aight ill let it slide for now :]

Big LincolnAug 18, 20176 votes

ps nerf mages hehe

BârdAug 19, 20175 votes

Skarner honestly, they should just revert him to the way he was just before the juggernaut patch hit.

The crystal venom version of Skarner was really fun to play, didn't have the "cancer" permaslow, and had none of the gimmicky mini games in the current version.

For those of you who weren't around...

Passive caused spell hits to apply Crystal Venom. At 3 stacks, your next AA dealt magic damage and stunned.

E didn't prime the stun like on live, but instead just applied a single stack of Venom.

R consumed all stacks of Crystal Venom on the target to deal an assload of bonus damage.

Big LincolnAug 19, 20173 votes

I agree, skarner was never a favorite of mine but his last iteration was the most enjoyable

AwoofAug 18, 20174 votes

You know, when I hear juggernaut, I think "that class that is considered useless if it's not Darius". But I forgot Cho now counts as one and Olaf, Trundle and Nasus I didn't think of either. (though Nasus is kinda questionable)

But really, I wouldn't call Singed a juggernaut. And Skarner is in pause until he gets reworked into a vanguard.

Variks the LoyalAug 18, 20171 votes

Singed actually fits the Juggernaut descriptor very well. Juggernauts are kitable, tanky, and deal a lot of damage, and you need to keep distance from them.

Singed is the same, except instead of kiting him running towards you, you need to kite him running away from you. Keep him in one place.

Also, fuck everything, Skarner always was the Juggernaut descriptor in every kit he's ever had and I'll be damned if I stop playing him that way.

Big LincolnAug 18, 20171 votes

skarner is a van guard hehe

Variks the LoyalAug 18, 20171 votes

Once I make enough gold in the jungle for my Triforce I'm gonna get you.

Big LincolnAug 18, 20172 votes

takes your birds

hehe

Variks the LoyalAug 18, 20173 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNWyhl-I_ak

Asayake 5150glowAug 18, 20172 votes

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Singed actually fits the Juggernaut descriptor very well. Juggernauts are kitable, tanky, and deal a lot of damage, and you need to keep distance from them.

Singed is the same, except instead of kiting him running towards you, you need to kite him running away from you. Keep him in one place.

Not exactly, if you're squishy and can't melt him yet, you gotta kite him the normal way, otherwise he'll hit you with repeated high damage E's which flip you into poison that still hurts like hell even when you don't stay in it.

Then he'll run around you, clipping you with poison every 2 seconds but because of how it works you still take full damage.

Variks the LoyalAug 18, 20171 votes

if you're squishy and can't melt him yet, you gotta kite him the normal way

Still sounds Juggernauty.

Asayake 5150glowAug 18, 20172 votes

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Still sounds Juggernauty.

Agreed, I'm just saying that you'll still be kiting away from him most of the time, since if you don't, he'll surround you with poison, which is the real threat.

You kite away from the poison so you don't take a shit ton of damage. You kite away from Singed so you don't get flipped into the poison and take damage while you're at it.

NymzoAug 18, 20174 votes

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~~need buff~~ need VGU except Udyr has his VU behind a paywall -

Fixed that one for you.

Big LincolnAug 18, 20175 votes

no, mine was correct

Magical ZoeAug 19, 20173 votes

Ew no, Volibear and Udyr bearly (hehe xd) have counter play as it is when they miraculously get ahead. Just a minor buff to them could break them.

Big LincolnAug 19, 20172 votes

oh KogMaw wow Pantheon guess Tristana those Mordekaiser types Twitch shouldn't Akali be viable lol

oh wait half of these champs don't even need to get ahead to have 'no counterplay' they just need to wait 20 minutes and then they'll win

Magical ZoeAug 19, 20175 votes

Yea I never understood why Akali having 3 dashes that resets on assits and kills is "balanced", save for the fact that she has insane sustain in lane. Tristana Twitch KogMaw are the unholy trinity of "lul I win if I get item 3031 item 3087 "

BârdAug 19, 20172 votes

It is in lieu of a major damage ult. Sure, it does some damage, but it's not exactly a huge amount. And while, yes, three ults do a LOT of damage, you will probably have to burn a charge or two on other units to get to your main target, and the 2 second CD means that you need a four second window to get three charges off on a single target (since Akali doesn't prioritize CDR in her builds),
The recharge is painfully slow without those resets. If her target doesn't die after she burns her dashes getting to them, she will likely die before she gets another shot.
It's targeted, so she can't use it to escape without some conveniently positioned creeps/monsters.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 19, 20172 votes

^This.

People don't realize that mobility ultimates, especially those on low cooldowns or with multiple charges, tend to have little damage. And even if they do have damage, you usually expend part of that damage to get within range of your target. Ahri's ultimate does okay damage (about the same as her W), but you waste at least one charge getting in range. Akali's ultimate does...well...just a bit more than her W (her zero-damage shroud), and you (usually) waste a charge getting in range. Diana's is decent damage, and you usually don't have to waste a charge (as you don't want to ult to anyone you haven't Q'd first), but has a maximum of two consecutive uses.

Kass is the only high-damage one I can think of, but you'll run out of mana absurdly quickly on him if you use it for damage.

50ShadesOfÀDCAug 19, 20171 votes

Kog maw never builds stattik.He builds BORK+Hurricane

BârdAug 19, 20172 votes

KogMaw Completely immobile, extremely squishy. Kog isn't problematic, it's all the non-unique heal/shield amp in the support items. Pantheon Is irrelevant past early game if he loses lane or goes even, and is irrelevant past mid game even if he wins lane. Tristana Reset reliant and squishy. Can't CS under tower because of E passive, so get a CS advantage with that and use it to win midgame fights. Trist is too strong right now, but that's mostly support items again. Mordekaiser Literally just stay away from him. Akali Interrupt dashes. Deny resets. Abuse her early game, but don't take shitty trades. Catch her with a single CC and she's dead in a late game fight.

ArakadiaAug 19, 20171 votes

Kog's kit without numbers is okay but he has a crap ton of his power budget and damage in his Q>auto them to death and back

UwhtaznAug 19, 20173 votes

Darius is fine, he's a lane bully that just needs to get all 5 autos and then bam they're dead. Illaoi does not need a buff, because her tentacles base damage is dumb that it can do a quarter-health to a tank with only item 1031 and her healing could be something thats need to be remove or nerf. Urgot - balance, but i don't mind if he needs buffs Udyr -the mini-rework on his Q, W ruined him, plus his kit is old, will need a rework. Skarner - Remind me, what does he do? :D Mordekaiser - Riot ruin him when they try to make him a melee ADC for bot, He needs to be rework again, but has to go back either top or mid where he used to excel at.