@Meddler Why is AP Xin getting nerfed?

IsIsGankedParis·Jun 30, 2015·35 votes·2,516 views

I had no idea he was dominating solo queue/competitive, so why is AP Xin getting nerfed Riot?

26 Comments

AudiomancyJul 1, 201524 votes

Riot heard people were trying to have fun.

DJ Di0Jun 30, 201515 votes

Probably pre-nerfs before Sated Devourer is released on live.

Sire HippingtonJun 30, 20151 votes

When they could atleast give a small buff to the base value. i use Trinity as a core item on him, especially in a sololane, o.2 less ratio are 6 less heal on W, getting 1 more heal per rank(5 more max rank) would be nice to compensate that ratio nerf on anyone that doesn't seek to abuse the ratio.

Hard4HamstersJun 30, 20157 votes

Maybe. But he's ridic with Runeglaive right now. I played a custom game with him to see his Tower taking potential, and because the towers got nerfed, he can double tank nexus turrets and take them both with a little bit of AP, runegaive, and a nashor's. He can probably do the same with the new Sated Devourer, but he does do some crazy burst damage with Runeglaive and an AP build, and he can split push HARD without minions.

AxriosJun 30, 20152 votes

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Maybe. But he's ridic with Runeglaive right now. I played a custom game with him to see his Tower taking potential, and because the towers got nerfed, he can double tank nexus turrets and take them both with a little bit of AP, runegaive, and a nashor's. He can probably do the same with the new Sated Devourer, but he does do some crazy burst damage with Runeglaive and an AP build, and he can split push HARD without minions.

wow so gud u soloed turrets in custom game dem challenger plays

Hard4HamstersJun 30, 20159 votes

Turrets hit you just as hard in a custom game as in a normal game dick. I wasn't trying to impress you with my skill at right clicking a turret. Just stating that it could be done under certain circumstances.

a call beyondJul 1, 20151 votes

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Turrets hit you just as hard in a custom game as in a normal game dick. I wasn't trying to impress you with my skill at right clicking a turret. Just stating that it could be done under certain circumstances.

Turrets have much more hp (scales with number of enemy champions) in matchmade games than in a 1v1 custom

Hard4HamstersJul 1, 20151 votes

Didn't know that personally. Still, there were bots on the enemy team I used to check AP Xin's Damage output with Runeglaive, so I'm not sure how healthy the Nexus Turrets were by comparison. I don't think it would have mattered, as he was staying healthy under the turrets (he can fall to 60%, but his W would heal him for 30%+ HP, so he didn't ever fall below 50%) His damage output is pretty good as he does well with Sheen items due to the nature of his kit. Because Runeglaive switches your next attack to PURE Magic Damage, using your Q to proc the spellblade converts the bonus damage (on the first strike) into Magic damage. And as it scales with total AD, you don't miss out as much as if you were building AD items.

AxriosJul 1, 20151 votes

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Turrets hit you just as hard in a custom game as in a normal game dick. I wasn't trying to impress you with my skill at right clicking a turret. Just stating that it could be done under certain circumstances.

I mean that your not going to get to solo a turret or lose more than what your gonna get if they can react to it as well.

Rinky DinkyJul 1, 20154 votes

you're an idiot xD

Sire HippingtonJul 1, 20151 votes

he can so with a usuall ap-xin built aswell...since his rework....lategame even as ad-bruiser... Also, tryn, Yi, jax and even elise can solo nexus turrets with the right items aswell... soloing nexus turrets insn't all that hard since the nerfs to them.

BudupopsJul 1, 20151 votes

ap xin goes mid not jg...

3TWarriorJul 1, 20153 votes

Mordekaiser : feed me....feeeeed me! XD

yasuo: 1.6k heal with sated devourer? I do that in one auto attack with my eyes closed XD

DJ Di0Jul 1, 20151 votes

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ap xin goes mid not jg...

Yeah, just like Runeglaive is for junglers.

Ezreal oops.

Besides, I see Xin more Top than Mid.

OverpoweredSoapJul 1, 20153 votes

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Probably pre-nerfs before Sated Devourer is released on live.

Didn't meddler say the balance team hated doing preemptive nerfs though.

Zair UmbrasJul 1, 20151 votes

Tell that to Shyv. Burnout reduced because of Sated, yet Yi is left untouched.

Hola HelloJul 1, 20152 votes

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Probably pre-nerfs before Sated Devourer is released on live.

meanwhile vlad untouched with the new ap items coming.

3TWarriorJul 1, 20152 votes

as another comment mentions about pre nerfs, imagine a xin zhao that MIGHT be able to heal 1600 health at a time while having high burst and tank hp

Ulquiorra995Jul 1, 20152 votes

He won't have tank HP if he's building AP. And on the point of healing while having damage... Vladimir . But hey, he's not a crazy off-build and is played in LCS, so he won't receive preemptive nerfs with AP item changes that's going to make everyone sane play draft so they can ban him. But fuck AP Xin. Such toxic. Much antifun.

Champion SkinJul 1, 20152 votes

Well not like ADC's are all that bad at healing while doing damage either... given how insanely strong life steal can be

BudupopsJul 1, 20151 votes

yeah this is complete and total bs.

PæanJul 1, 20151 votes

https://youtu.be/I5-lWzohDxk

Case and point :3

SaiannaJul 1, 20151 votes

I just felt like watching that hahahaha Thanks :D

Ulquiorra995Jul 1, 20151 votes

Because Riot "embraces build variety and hates doing pre-emptive nerfs". And that's why niche items get removed, niche spells get removed, and secondary builds get nerfed out of the blue. Rito please: either show that you care or just say that you don't give a fuck so you don't get people's hopes up.