Zeke's Harbinger

Oleandervine·Jun 1, 2017·2 votes·446 views

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So you guys are updating Zeke's Harbinger, and while the whole frost storm thing looks cool, gating it by the ultimate is not so much. This trigger is really only effective if you use your ultimate offensively, and there a too many moments where supports need to use their ultimates defensively, where this storm effect would go completely to waste.

I'm not sure what direction to take with the trigger, but I feel like this is not it. I would almost say to drop the bind mechanic entirely from the item (as it always seems like the barrier holding it back), and have the active be the storm that operates on a charge system, similar to Ashe's Q. Just make it anything else, because casting your ultimate to trigger an item just has too many random factors for the item to actually be reliable.

7 Comments

UnboundHadesJun 1, 20172 votes

wouldn't kog maws buy this item in aram or on ap kog

OleandervineJun 1, 20171 votes

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wouldn't kog maws buy this item in aram or on ap kog

Not sure why an ADC would buy a full armor/MR item.

LostFr0stJun 1, 20171 votes

gated by ult cd

Kog ult cd... :thinking: mmmm that's brilliant.

OleandervineJun 1, 20171 votes

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Kog ult cd... :thinking: mmmm that's brilliant.

Yes, but you're sacrificing consistent damage from attack items for defensive stats and a burst that's only active when you pop your ult, at a point which you won't get the most from the storm because Kog's ult isn't auto attacks.

LostFr0stJun 1, 20171 votes

Yeah, but for AP Kog it looks like a decent pickup. Sure, AP Kog can buy GA or Zhonyas, but this gives mana and cdr too, along with more armor and some MR on top for far cheaper.

OleandervineJun 1, 20171 votes

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Yeah, but for AP Kog it looks like a decent pickup. Sure, AP Kog can buy GA or Zhonyas, but this gives mana and cdr too, along with more armor and some MR on top for far cheaper.

Why wouldnt AP Kog prefer Morellonomicon, Zhonya's, and Banshee's then? To me, it seems like he would prefer to boost his AP with every item, instead of wasting a slot on pure defenses, which aren't too great if he's not stacking HP. He will die incredibly fast either way if he's focused, so I don't see a pure defense item being a solid investment on him when better options exist that support his play style.

LostFr0stJun 1, 20171 votes

In ARAM he can get maximum uptime due to team proximity and this item is cheaper while providing another slow to help him kite between W casts. Yeah there are other options, but that doesn't make this one garbage since he's going to get a defensive it without health anyways ( item 3102 / item 3157 ) while item 3050 will dip into both resistance types.