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Morgana and Kayle's 975 RP Skins are not up to standard.

Oleandervine·3/4/2019, 8:42:04 PM·129 votes·22,020 views

Battleborn Kayle, Transcended Kayle, Exiled Morgana, and Sinful Succulence Morgana ALL use the base character recall, and with the exception of Exile, all use the base character particle effects. As 975 RP skins, they should have unique recalls and different VFX, as is part of the standard of their skin tier. This is especially noticeable compared to the only other 975 RP skins in the lot - Bewitching and Ghost Bride Morgana - that ARE up to the standard of their's pricing tier, since they have unique particles and a unique recall.

So unless you're going to be dropping the price of these 4 skins, you NEED to bring them up to par. As you have them now, they're nothing more than super expensive 520RP/750RP skins. You took a step forward with updating the particles for Exiled, so now do that for ALL of them, and give them recalls befitting of their pricing tier. You should be doing the quality work to make your products worth their price, not ignoring it and selling a product that is not worth the cost. I understand they were originally released when there wasn't a lot of quality bound to pricing tiers, but times have changed, and you're still charging a lot for these skins while delivering to us a low quality product. Fix them.

P.S. If I can point out one thing AT LEAST and get you guys at Riot to listen: Every single Cooking Masters skin has a new particle effect. Every. Single. One. This includes the THREE 750 RP ones - BBQ Leona, Butcher Olaf, and Sashimi Akali. If the THREE 750 RP skins can get a single particle change to make them silly for the Cooking Masters line, Sinful Succulence Morgana can get her particles changed to match her to the line. It's fucking criminal that she's been folded into that universe, and yet has nothing in her VFX that includes food or other effects.

NEW DEVELOPMENT: I just read in a thread from Sir Saltarin that Reav3 has acknowledged on Reddit that they will listen and adjust Aetherwing Kayle.

Reav3:

Hey all, lots of great points brought up in this thread. With legendaries the amount of unique anims and how drastically they change can vary from Champion to Champion. With newer Champions they can sometimes have massive animation suites, so rather then give them 100% unique anims we just tweak the base ones. This was a approach we took for both Nightbringer Yasuo and and Dark Star Thresh since they were much newer Champions. New Kayle has a enormous animation suite, between 4 forms, enraged/non-enraged AAs, Melee/ranged AAs, High Attack Speed/Low Attack speed AA, so we had to chose carefully where to put the unique animations for Kayle. We ultimately chose to put the unique anims into her mechanical wings, which do have a new animation suite compared to base Kayle as we felt her mechanical wings are the most unique aspect of the skin. The Death anim is a good call out though and we will be adding a unique death anim to her soon, targeting next patch. We will also be adjusting AWs Auto attack SFX to match closer to old AW SFX.

Let's keep at is so these skins get attention too! They need a lot more work than they were giving, so they're much more deserving of being made worth their price point! Keep bugging them!

New Update: Silver Kayle, Riot Kayle, and Judgment Kayle are getting particle updates. Riot, you're still not done! There are 3 more skins to update the particles for, and they still need unique recalls!

130 Comments

Sir Saltarin3/4/2019, 9:13:53 PM42 votes

Worth to mention that the only new animations that Aether Wing Kayle has as a 1820rp skin is a new transformation and the Ctrl1, 2, 3 and 4.

Her walk, homeguards, aa, Q, W, E, R animations are ALL the vanilla Kayle animations, not even a new death animation.

Edit: and Aether Wing Kayle has a total of 8min VO which is worse than any 1820 skin they have released in a long time, Oddisey Kayn has a 32min VO (which means that all 3 forms have as mins as whole AW Kayle), Eclipse Leona 10 min, Nunu Bot had 15min, High Noon Lucian 11 min, God King Darius 15 min - God King Garen 18.

Yordle Xayah3/4/2019, 9:49:12 PM16 votes

Too much work for Riot, which are a small indie developer. Don't be unreasonable. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Oleandervine3/4/2019, 8:55:37 PM8 votes

If you need other examples of 975 RP skins: Blood Moon Evelynn Playmaker Lee Sin Justiciar Aatrox Frostbutt Irelia Warring Kingdom Katarina Death Blossom Kha'Zix Gentleman Gnar Moo Cow Alistar

Nanuk Pihoqahiak3/5/2019, 6:56:33 AM6 votes

The whole update reeks of lazy and was obviously rushed.

xSintactx3/6/2019, 3:17:47 AM4 votes

Well said. I 100% agree.

Garentheon3/4/2019, 9:08:27 PM4 votes

Reav3 said not all 975 skins have those things.

But if you dig, you’ll see that’s because those skins are old and came out before the new 975 updated standard.

EDIT: I think ya misunderstood. I am pro updating 975 skins.

“those are old skins and came out before the new 975 updated standard.” was in reference to the skins Reav3 was referencing when he said not all 975 have recalls, vfx, etc.

Spideraxe3/4/2019, 10:36:20 PM4 votes

I think this is an issue the extends to the entire 975 line since its pretty inconsistent imho, you have some 975s which are essentially 750s and others that are just cheaper 1350s. There is no real standard to the price point as a whole

The Ecdysiast3/4/2019, 9:43:55 PM3 votes

Uh, no. 975 is not unique recalls. You're thinking 1350.

Tin Obliterates3/4/2019, 10:50:11 PM3 votes

Makes me kind of scared for Mordekaiser's Lord and Pentakill skins once his rework is revealed.

Malungo3/5/2019, 9:18:41 AM3 votes

Yeah it's definitely a bit of a let down, not to mention Judgement Kayle being totally neglected.

I was super excited for the redesign of Judgement Kayle, and I do like the skins model and overall design (new level 16 wings need to be darker). I just wish her particle effects got updated, how can Riot make a dark themed skin paired with golden light particles? It just looks like of off, I'm not saying it looks terrible it just does not fit the theme of the skin at all.

Kenneky3/5/2019, 6:22:00 PM3 votes

I'm surprised you mention their skins while old legendary skins like Gentleman Cho'Gath don't deserve to be legendary skins anymore. The could at least lower the price to the on of like Surprise Party Fiddlesticks since it's also an outdated legendary skin. I have Dragon Trainer Lulu and as an Epic skin it has only cleaned out spell effects, no new recall, and the wood stumps that are used to stun enemies while casting her ultimate are not even changed, sure it's worth being an Epic skin only for the dragon that replaces Pix right? That's a problem every outdated champion have.

Fluffeh3/5/2019, 10:34:48 PM3 votes

Came to the forum to make this thread, literally every kayle skin including aetherwing are low effort as hell with the one exception of pentakill kayle. Even judgement kayle, the season 2 skin that riot could put some extra oomph into to reward their long time customers and fans is so fucking ugly with its bright yellow particles and deep teal and silver color palette

The Dreamwalker3/6/2019, 12:29:57 AM3 votes

I don't think that Riot needs to do anything else to the 975 skins because they are defined as:

Includes a new model, new texture and splash image. Sometimes includes new animations, visual effects, and sounds were appropriate for the skin's theme, or where the lack of would be detrimental.

Riot isn't obligated to provide new particle effects or recall animations for those you listed. They are guaranteed on skins priced 1350 or above. 975 RP skins are a step above "budget" skins or simple costume changes, but are below in quality of Epic tiered skins. You can get new animations and such in a 975 skin, but only if Riot feels like adding them.

750 skins have the same qualities as 975 skins, but they only have a chance for new animations. 975 skins have a chance to have anything from 1350 skins added in. There are, of course, exceptions to the rules and listings above.

Linna Excel3/5/2019, 6:30:39 PM2 votes

I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it again here. I don't think the VGU team cares anymore. They had a lot of skins to update and they can't be bothered with doing a good job on them anymore or keeping with themes or maintaining the rules of a pricing tier or a skin line. Riot's profits were down .7 billion last year (got woke, going broke) and they are recouping it in part via shoddy reworks that cut corners. Now compound that with the fact they are either making an MMO or a live service of some kind which is siphoning a ton of capital as well and you've got a company in a pinch.

Welcome to the new standard.

EDIT: they are also located in LA where land prices, like for their 2 offices, are outrageous and the cost of living is absurdly high. CA has a high tax rate on top of that. For a job that can be done anywhere, they are grossly overpaying and that's also sapping company finances in turn. For example if riot moved to a state without an income tax, they could halve their bonuses and employees would still take home the same amount, but it would go further for them.

Bad business decisions are getting compounded.

LoL Engel 23/5/2019, 4:09:44 AM2 votes

Imagine spending money on a free game lol

ASURAVIII3/5/2019, 7:58:54 PM1 votes

Riot's gonna update them with the new rework like they did with Urgot so it isn't really much of a problem.

Clone Is Friend3/5/2019, 9:50:28 AM1 votes

ever looked at shaco LOL. stop complaining when it still doesnt look like a chroma. literally 2 skins change anything on shaco and its just masked's dance which is worse than original and aslym and masked q

not saying this is acceptable but they have done it in the past.

Sektah3/5/2019, 2:07:19 PM1 votes

Its not that deep, before Riot was on this rampage of only.making 1350 skins. 975 skins only changed particles, and maybe recalls if u got lucky. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I have all Kayle and Morgana skins and I actually like how they have the base recall.