If Riot does decide to take the CDR/Mana approach to Rylais Crystal Scepter....

Sahn Uzal·Oct 8, 2016·75 votes·3,761 views

Mordekaiser should be high priority in the VGU Queue.

I had been thinking about Mordekaiser and the Rylais situation for a bit... Which didn't have anything to do with MM pumping out threads faster than a Frenchie can pump out words

Mordekaiser functions pretty well right now, so Riot can allow to keep him in this state for another while. Some champions might need a rework more than Mordekaiser does right now. But Rylais Crystal scepter is the only fucking reason he works!

If I walk up to a guy, break his legs and give him some crutches... I'm not gonna break the fucking crutches aswell!

Just my 10 cents. Sails away from this thread.

98 Comments

Over InnsmouthOct 8, 201629 votes

Well let's hope for the optimal outcome: Riot nerfs Rylai's damage and it returns to being an item for AP Bruisers and not an item for AP Casters and Burst Mages.

Malicious MetalOct 8, 20169 votes

Heresy! Where did your bloody icon go!

Sahn UzalOct 8, 201610 votes

His darkstar icon sucked it in.

Malicious MetalOct 8, 20167 votes

Plot twist; He's hoping for Dark star vlad :^)

Sahn UzalOct 8, 20163 votes

I mean that's a known fact. That's not a plot twist. :^)

Over InnsmouthOct 8, 20162 votes

Well other than the fact that the Dark Star line is my favourite skin line, I am indeed hoping for a Dark Star Vladimir skin.

Also it looks like a purple/black Blood Ball.

The Yetii RiderOct 8, 20161 votes

Actually it looks like a Syndra Q.

Over InnsmouthOct 8, 20165 votes

No. Syndra Q looks like a purple/black Blood Ball.

Raid Boss MordeOct 8, 20161 votes

Wait, may I ask how you changed your icon??? T-T

My icon has stayed the same since the last blood moon event, and won't change at all.

XicashinaOct 8, 20161 votes

On the league client next to your name and shop and stuff your icon appears click on it to change it

Raid Boss MordeOct 8, 20161 votes

I know that, mine has been changed many times, but it won't change here on the boards for some reason. Last time I used this icon was about 8 months ago.

The boards isn't syncing with my actual account for some reason.

XicashinaOct 9, 20161 votes

Ah sorry for being assumptive but I might have run into your same problem a while back. For a long time I couldn't use the boards because it still thought my account was level 2. I wrote in a support ticket about it and they fixed it within the day, apparently there isn't amazing synchronizing between the two servers.

Raid Boss MordeOct 9, 20161 votes

That's fine, no harm done. I'll try to contact support once more, hopefully it will help. Thank you for the help though!

Stars ShaperOct 8, 20165 votes

I highly agree.

Being dependant on one item to be playable it's ofc bad design but it's still better than having an unplayable character. At the state of art Mordekaiser isn't a meta pick nor a contested pick for worlds so there is no imminent problem. If his core item gets scrapped out of his build though you can't simply give him some random boons and call it a day.

RalanrOct 8, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w0hqn3wL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-08T15:26:42.620+0000)

I highly agree.

Being dependant on one item to be playable it's ofc bad design but it's still better than having an unplayable character. At the state of art Mordekaiser isn't a meta pick nor a contested pick for worlds so there is no imminent problem. If his core item gets scrapped out of his build though you can't simply give him some random boons and call it a day.

Irelia item 3078

Raid Boss MordeOct 8, 20161 votes

Irelia doesn't need Trinity though. She can still be a threat without it.

RalanrOct 8, 20162 votes

I have yet to ever see Irelia not build trinity force.

AdriqnoheeOct 9, 20161 votes

That's because is the best item on her, doesn't mean she depends on it to function.

RalanrOct 9, 20161 votes

Then what would she build instead?

AdriqnoheeOct 11, 20161 votes

Any of the other items she already build? Or do you think trinity is the only item she builds all game?

invisiblecat1Oct 8, 20164 votes

If Rylai's is the reason he is viable, then he needs a rework Vlad needed WotA to be viable, and when they removed it, he was reworked

Sahn UzalOct 8, 20169 votes

He needs a rework either way. It's just that he's pretty ok the way he is. Other champions need a rework more than he does.

But if they take Rylais from him, he's absolutely garbage and simply will not function.

AlleoOct 8, 20162 votes

Time to take him back bot lane with Blitzcrank :^)

Legacy HydralphaOct 8, 20164 votes

Didn't Riot not like old Vladimir's reliance to Will of the Ancients? Why should Morde suffer the same problem with Rylai's?

Sahn UzalOct 8, 20164 votes

Because he's not alone on the VGU list. He works so he's not high priority. :(

THE RlVER KlNGOct 8, 20163 votes

Vlad needs it almost as much as Morde too, since he lacks ways to keep his target within range - he's the juggernaut of mages, and Rylai's is still core on him.

Sahn UzalOct 8, 20164 votes

Vlad really likes his Rylais, but he doesn't need it AS much as Morde since Vlads W and E already have a slow. Morde doesn't.

THE RlVER KlNGOct 8, 20163 votes

And making it a mana cdr item would severely hurt his chasing potential, which is already very low. Vlad is my second most-played champion after Tahm, and Rylais is universally my second item bought, some times even first if I am not against heavy AP. Vlad's slows are either laughably brief or require him to be literally right on top of the target.

RalanrOct 8, 20164 votes

I don't understand how making it a mana CDR item is even considered an option honestly. This was originally a AP bruiser item, champions who love health and AP. Mana isn't exactly that big an issue past laning phase and mages already have item 3165 as a mana and CDR item. They don't need two, least Riot doesn't want to be bought.

VenedictosOct 8, 20161 votes

There's also Luden's Echo for Vlad to use, if ever Rylai becomes so bad even he can't use it. 10% MS is quite a useful stat on Vladimir anyway.

SinlaireOct 8, 20161 votes

especially with his movespeed burst from blood rush.

Over InnsmouthOct 8, 20165 votes

CRIMSON RUSH.

crippler38Oct 9, 20161 votes

blood's red, same thing!

The Yetii RiderOct 8, 20161 votes

I don't see the problem here. He needs the slow, so what if the item is less efficient on him? Build it anyway. You'll get more damage and you'll probably have to build it second so you can get a little beef.

Or hell, just build Dead Man's Plate instead. Gives you the mobility to catch your targets and a slow when you get there. Iceborn Gauntlet and work with your team. Have them set up the CC while you close, then you choke them out. It's not that hard when you play Morde with a support. Then you can just send Graves top lane and there's nothing lost on your team.

Rylai's being changed would make Morde less of a solo carry, but that was the point of his rework in the first place. To force him to rely more on his teammates. And that's fine.

MordepoolOct 8, 20167 votes

Force him. In a game where they encourage you to play however you want. Hypocrisy and I've had enough of that

Malicious MetalOct 8, 201637 votes

Them forcing Morde to be more reliant on his team was hated by everyone and one of the reasons the rework totally flopped.

The Yetii RiderOct 8, 20162 votes

It's no more forced than Skarner or Nunu are to jungle, or that Jhin is to build crit.

Play however you want, unless it's Sona, Soraka, Janna, Lulu, Alistar, or Taric in any role other than support. Then the hammer comes down hard.

It's not hypocrisy, it's just outdated. Riot has moved from build diversity to sub class balancing

SinlaireOct 8, 20168 votes

Skarner and Nunu have an entire Position that they are forced into.

Jhin has an entire itemization tree that he can build however he pleases.

The supports mentioned arent always hammered when played in other roles, and they arent even really touched if they go non- support items when playing their Main intended role.

With Morde on the other hand we are talking about one singular item that without he cannot funtion. not a lane, not a sub section of build diversity, one. single. item.

your argument is valid, but while you think you are comparing apples you actually taking an apple for equal value to the bushel.

The Yetii RiderOct 8, 20162 votes

So then one champ gets dumpstered for the overall health of the game. What's wrong with building DMP or Randuin's or Iceborn or Frozen Mallet on Morde instead?

AnidanOct 8, 20167 votes

Willing to guess it's because none of those items give him the sticking power, offensive power, and defensive power in one package that Rylai's does.

DMP gives him some movement speed but it can be removed by CC, which is already a huge weakness for Morde so adding more eggs into the "Pray you don't get CC'd" basket sounds like a terrible move. Randuin's doesn't even give him the extra mobility and while it does give him a slow and durability, it doesn't do anything for his offense in the slightest beyond the slow. Iceborn and Frozen Mallet both require you to already be in melee range beating the everloving hell out of them.

crippler38Oct 9, 20161 votes

I suppose you could go for the frozen mallet protobelt combo but that makes 2 items just to get in melee range.

Although that does sound interesting, I might try it since I suck at morde anyway so anything I build is about as effective as any other lol

Baron PerenoldeOct 8, 20164 votes

Literally all of those supports aside from maybe Taric were heavily nerfed for their solo lane prowess. Please don't spreat misinformation.

BijornOct 8, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w0hqn3wL,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-10-08T16:37:23.433+0000)

I don't see the problem here. He needs the slow, so what if the item is less efficient on him? Build it anyway. You'll get more damage and you'll probably have to build it second so you can get a little beef.

Or hell, just build Dead Man's Plate instead. Gives you the mobility to catch your targets and a slow when you get there. Iceborn Gauntlet and work with your team. Have them set up the CC while you close, then you choke them out. It's not that hard when you play Morde with a support. Then you can just send Graves top lane and there's nothing lost on your team.

Rylai's being changed would make Morde less of a solo carry, but that was the point of his rework in the first place. To force him to rely more on his teammates. And that's fine.

I would attempt to give an answer as to why youre wrong, but youve clearly never played him so it would just fall on deaf ears.

Just know this: If Ryalis is dumpstered (and we can kind of assume that since that is what Riot does to items that are issues) it will directly destroy Mord as well, as thats the only thing keeping him able to, ya know, actually be played.

The Yetii RiderOct 8, 20161 votes

So many champions have been dumpstered before though. Morde can stay terrible for a while. Warwick, Urgot, Evelynn, and even Akali, Irelia and Karma all deserve VGU attention before him.

BijornOct 8, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w0hqn3wL,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2016-10-08T19:31:55.832+0000)

So many champions have been dumpstered before though. Morde can stay terrible for a while. Warwick, Urgot, Evelynn, and even Akali, Irelia and Karma all deserve VGU attention before him.

Oh I understand that. Im not even asking for a VGU. But Mord was in such a horrible spot for so long. What we Mord players would want is something in return if Rylais is destroyed. Better base stats, or Rylais still ok on us, something. As it sits we have NO way to stick to anyone or close gaps. Rylais is the only way.

The Yetii RiderOct 8, 20162 votes

Compensation buffs are probably fine, but the OP is stating that he should be put at the top of the VGU list. That's what I'm arguing against.

BijornOct 8, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w0hqn3wL,comment-id=00030001000000010000,timestamp=2016-10-08T21:33:54.780+0000)

Compensation buffs are probably fine, but the OP is stating that he should be put at the top of the VGU list. That's what I'm arguing against.

Yea i dont agree with the VGU so we are on the same page. Your first statement seemed like Mord would be fine with Ryalis destroyed, and that you are ok with mord sitting at the bottom and being shit again. As long as he is still playable thats all that matters to me and the rest of the Mord players

The Yetii RiderOct 9, 20161 votes

Okay, I'm sorry that I gave that impression. I don't want anyone to have to go through what Galio, Eve and Urgot mains have been going through.

Here, I'll even offer up some possible compensation buffs if Rylai's becomes unusable on Morde (just understand that I don't play Morde, so I'm trying here but don't get upset if I screw it up)

W - Heal removed New effect: While you are touching and emitting the shockwave, every enemy that takes damage is also slowed by 30/40/50/60/70% for one second. You can reactivate the ability after you cast it to have an explosion around both Morde and the target for the explosion damage and a 50% slow that decays over its duration for 1.5 seconds.

E - Bonus shield generation reduced to 10% max per champion hit from 15% New effect - Enemy champions struck by E are Grounded for 1/1.5/2/2.5/3 seconds, and Mordekaiser gains a 25/40/55/70/85% speed boost when moving towards that champion.

BijornOct 9, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w0hqn3wL,comment-id=0003000100000001000000010000,timestamp=2016-10-09T00:13:36.736+0000)

Okay, I'm sorry that I gave that impression. I don't want anyone to have to go through what Galio, Eve and Urgot mains have been going through.

Here, I'll even offer up some possible compensation buffs if Rylai's becomes unusable on Morde (just understand that I don't play Morde, so I'm trying here but don't get upset if I screw it up)

W - Heal removed New effect: While you are touching and emitting the shockwave, every enemy that takes damage is also slowed by 30/40/50/60/70% for one second. You can reactivate the ability after you cast it to have an explosion around both Morde and the target for the explosion damage and a 50% slow that decays over its duration for 1.5 seconds.

E - Bonus shield generation reduced to 10% max per champion hit from 15% New effect - Enemy champions struck by E are Grounded for 1/1.5/2/2.5/3 seconds, and Mordekaiser gains a 25/40/55/70/85% speed boost when moving towards that champion.

I see what you're trying to do for sure. The biggest reason Mord buys Rylais right now is because every ability he has gives a slow. That is the only way he can hold onto someone at this age of league. With the amount of ability creep its fucking disgusting. Having an ability slow instead of relying on an item is deff something we want but...it wont allow him to actually stick to his target. he would be able to get maybe...2 hits of his Q off, might get some damage from his W and get one E off. And normally that is fine. So I wouldnt mind trying this as thats a full rotation. But Mord is good in long fights. Short fights like that he sucks at. But again, would not mind trying that.