@Riot can we please talk about Kayle?

Cloud273··5 votes·974 views

I'm tired of these constant nerfs she's been getting. When was the last time she did well in LCS? I can't think of any recent games where she truly shined.

Just because she happens to be FOTM, or a new item comes out (that's broken on EVERYONE, btw), it doesn't mean she's broken. As the game changes, Kayle must sometimes change her playstyle in order to be effective (just like any other champ). If that means jungling with her, then so be it.

I played Kayle long before she became popular, and I've continued to play her even after all her nerfs, because she's my favorite champ in this game, but I feel like the recent nerf to her base AD was too much. And it didn't accomplish anything. The recent nerf to her base AD may not seem like much, but it really is. It doesn't just make her auto attacks weaker (which ALL junglers need), but it makes her 'e' weaker as well, since it scales with AD.

I don't know what you want Kayle to be. Whether you want her to be a pure utility champ with zero damage, or a hybrid damage dealer with some utility, it doesn't matter to me. I just want her to have something that she's good at. She used to have a lot of utility with her ult, but after nerfing the range on it she puts herself in a very dangerous spot in order to help her team. At this point, Kayle still does a lot of the same stuff she did before, but because of all the nerfs her early game is extremely weak, which usually leads to her feeding and consequently losing. I've heard a lot of people talk about how strong her late game is (similar to Vayne), but she almost never gets there, because her early game is very easy to exploit.

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Cenobite Azaziel2 votes

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I'm tired of these constant nerfs she's been getting. When was the last time she did well in LCS? I can't think of any recent games where she truly shined.

Just because she happens to be FOTM, or a new item comes out (that's broken on EVERYONE, btw), it doesn't mean she's broken. As the game changes, Kayle must sometimes change her playstyle in order to be effective (just like any other champ). If that means jungling with her, then so be it.

I played Kayle long before she became popular, and I've continued to play her even after all her nerfs, because she's my favorite champ in this game, but I feel like the recent nerf to her base AD was too much. And it didn't accomplish anything. The recent nerf to her base AD may not seem like much, but it really is. It doesn't just make her auto attacks weaker (which ALL junglers need), but it makes her 'e' weaker as well, since it scales with AD.

I don't know what you want Kayle to be. Whether you want her to be a pure utility champ with zero damage, or a hybrid damage dealer with some utility, it doesn't matter to me. I just want her to have something that she's good at. She used to have a lot of utility with her ult, but after nerfing the range on it she puts herself in a very dangerous spot in order to help her team. At this point, Kayle still does a lot of the same stuff she did before, but because of all the nerfs her early game is extremely weak, which usually leads to her feeding and consequently losing. I've heard a lot of people talk about how strong her late game is (similar to Vayne), but she almost never gets there, because her early game is very easy to exploit.

The 5 ad nerf was meant to hit her in lane phase. Sure, riot said "Ohhh we are nerfing jungel kayle =D". Lies. As always. Why? Before the rise of jungle kayle, riot buffed her E, giving a bonus magic damage: 10 (+ 15% AP) at lvl 1. In the jungle, kayle doesn't have the luxury of stop AA if her E on CD, so she gets way more damage than before. In lane, you can argue that you can last hit better with it, but in top lane if you go last hit in melee range with the squishiest top laner/mid lane in the game you will get punished hard.

After that they nerf her 5 ad. Removing harrash power in the lane, meaning not much for jungle kayle, since what does matter for her is the late game, and 5 damage has no effect in sated proc. Proof of that is her win rate in mid (championg gg role placement: 22 / 48 dropped 9 positions) and jungle (5 / 44 dropped 2 positions).

They could nerf jungle kayle by capping or reducing the monster damage on her E. Yeah. Riot want kayle to be a jungler. Proably because she is toxic in lane with little counter play.

Sniper 01 votes

Sad thing is I had recently bought a skin for her before the nerf. :C The 1820 one xD

II UniiQue II1 votes

lol i hate that...thats why i wait a patch or two before i buy a skin

TraakSC1 votes

Learn to paragraph.

Cloud2731 votes

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Learn to paragraph.

Fixed

LilxPaprika1 votes

She did get a buff just prior tho. She's still good esp late. But ya I'm mehh about it too. Esp the shoehorning aspect. Pretty much have to go AP now.

GG Noob Team1 votes

I fully agree on this with my both hands.

Really? Nerfing the champion, because she got some pick ratio and ban ratio, only because bronze community hates her and has absolutely no idea how to fight with binary champion like she is?

Riot, lets get serious. Or you nerf champions comparing to how well it does on LCS or on the MASSIVE NOOBS WHINE ON BOARDS and reddit.

You nerf kayle so quick after buff, but you leave fiora and garen UNTOUCHED FOR SO LONG TIME, since they both got MEGA BROKEN afvter hot fixes and patches...

Fuck you really.

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