1-The obvious one to change her W from %max hp true damage t0 physical damage
or
2-Make the W dosent proc again and again and again on the same target put some CD like 5 seconds
But buff the W proc to be bigger!!!
Becuase right now what the counterplay? to not get AA ? really? that the counterplay?
Yeah that need to be fixed
EffectFX4 votesNo.
Willow Ninja3 votesThe counter play is to have an anti stealth (upgraded red trinket) and learn to focus.
Your post pretty much reads "I keep getting my ass handed to me by vaynes"
Phuc Dat Bich1 votesThe counter play is to have an anti stealth (upgraded red trinket) and learn to focus.
Your post pretty much reads "I keep getting my ass handed to me by vaynes"
so ok guys the counter balance of a champion like vayne is to CC her.....
oK i guess just CC all the champs and we dont need nerfs and bans any more dont you think? right? just cc man its easy Oh and "focus" her no like she have a team ..Oh shocking right she have a team..who would knew....
And its funny how that the only people who defend vayne is the VAYNE players
I mean i see people defend graves/MF/Lucian who werent even main this champ but they would saying good counter points
The counter points i get from THE VAYNE mains is "yo cc her"
gtfo from here
EndlessSorcerer1 votesThe comment you quoted says nothing regarding CC.
EvilMerodach1 votes[{quoted}](name=Yeshua HAMASHIAJ,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vunXNAow,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-07-24T03:32:56.653+0000)
so ok guys the counter balance of a champion like vayne is to CC her.....
oK i guess just CC all the champs and we dont need nerfs and bans any more dont you think? right? just cc man its easy Oh and "focus" her no like she have a team ..Oh shocking right she have a team..who would knew....
And its funny how that the only people who defend vayne is the VAYNE players
I mean i see people defend graves/MF/Lucian who werent even main this champ but they would saying good counter points
The counter points i get from THE VAYNE mains is "yo cc her"
gtfo from here
Counterplay for 
and 
is also "cc him/her"
Counterplay for 
is not to waste your cc on him. It's avoid him and exhaust his cooldowns, then kill everyone else but him...then him.
Source: I am not a Vayne main.
(
main
Bear+upgraded red trinket>Vayne)
Phuc Dat Bich1 votesCounterplay for
Source: I am not a Vayne main. (
well yi is problematic...
Katarina is a cancer for a long time now
So there the "cc" argument just mean nothing because when the only counter to a champion is the "cc" then you know there is a problem!!
The HeraId2 votes[{quoted}](name=Yeshua HAMASHIAJ,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vunXNAow,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2015-07-24T16:19:12.485+0000)
well yi is problematic...
Katarina is a cancer for a long time now
So there the "cc" argument just mean nothing because when the only counter to a champion is the "cc" then you know there is a problem!!
Not is isn't dude. How to beat Vayne: Beat her in Lane, Avoid Giving Her Kills, get a Frozenheart. And Yes CC, as you seem to think is an irrelevant argument. Ever seen a team with say an Orianna, a Malphite, an Alister/Braum, A Sejuani, and a Caitlyn. Try playing vayne into that, and you will just die.
Braum AAs you: Cait hits you three times you are stunned, malphite ults with ori ball on him,, ori ults, and then sej ults. Vayne doesn't survive against CC, and it is a completely legitimate argument. I have beaten a vayne because I played the most useless jungler in the game: Warwick. I would wait until after a fight started, and just red smite ult, and she was one shot.
Unlucky Number72 votes-even with her silver bolts most of her damage is still physical, frozen heart and randuin's are especially effective because she does all of her damage through auto attacks.
-yes she's a hyper carry but her laning phase is terrible. match her up against a lane bully like leona, graves, or blitzcrank. or have the support poke her out of lane.
-if she gets behind during the laning phase than it's very unlikely for her to make a comeback because of her horrible wave clear. Vayne has the worst wave clear of any adc. if vayne is behind she has two choices, farm minion waves for eternity, or try to get kills in teamfights. to counter the first plan a gank when vayne pushes the lane past a kill bush. to counter the second just focus her down when she comes in range.
-this point needs to be said again. Vayne has horrible waveclear, because of this Vayne does not do well in seige scenarios, on either side. she doesn't have the wave clear to defend on a siege and her low range puts her in alot of danger if she wants to dive the inhibitor turret where she can't stealth if things turn bad. this puts her at odds with her hypercarry identity. the main way to get to lategame is to have a strong defense so you can stave off any enemy sieges, but if your mid isn't a waveclear god like ziggs or xerath then you better hope they don't start sieging your towers.
-while she does have a auto attack range of 550 (slightly above average) for an adc her effective range* is low. This puts her in alot of danger. if she's behind and trying to farm champions in team fights focus her down cause she's still very squashy, and if she can hit you then it's very likely you can hit her.
there is no need to balance vayne. she's where riot wants her to be: a difficult but awesome marksmen that scales hard but loses to certain lane matchups.
*effective range = the range a character needs to be in order to do damage. all other adcs have spells that they can use from a safe distance when the enemy is not in auto attack range. some adcs have high effective range caitlyn, kog'maw, jinx. vayne has the lowest effective range because in order to do anything she needs to be in auto attack range. graves, urgot, quinn, siver, all have abilities that extend their effective range.
Rainlein1 votescc her for 2 seconds and she's pretty much dead? it's a team game. if she's hitting you, what is the rest of your team doing?
Phuc Dat Bich1 votescc her for 2 seconds and she's pretty much dead? it's a team game. if she's hitting you, what is the rest of your team doing?
so ok guys the counter balance of a champion like vayne is to CC her.....
oK i guess just CC all the champs and we dont need nerfs and bans any more dont you think? right? just cc man its easy Oh and "focus" her no like she have a team ..Oh shocking right she have a team..who would knew....
And its funny how that the only people who defend vayne is the VAYNE players
I mean i see people defend graves/MF/Lucian who werent even main this champ but they would saying good counter points
The counter points i get from THE VAYNE mains is "yo cc her"
gtfo from here
I am just gonna copy paste because what you say is what all the vayne mains say
You people think that "cc" is a counter to broken stuff...
Rainlein2 votesMaybe people who play vayne tell you such things because we've experienced it while we played to know that such things are very deadly to us? Or you are so much more experienced at vayne that you know that's not true? In which case I cringe at the this post since you should know by now that vayne is not broken.
I played a game where my whole team had some form of CC. The vayne on the other team hardly got any damage done because once one of us lands a CC she's pretty much dead. She even bought mercury treads instead of greaves to help with the CC because that's how badly CC hurts vayne (or any adc for that matter)
The best way to know the counter to a champion is to play that champion and see what people can do to you and what you can do to them. Crying about a certain skill on the forums then jumping down people's throats for not agreeing with you doesn't really help you improve or learn counter plays.
Phuc Dat Bich1 votesMaybe people who play vayne tell you such things because we've experienced it while we played to know that such things are very deadly to us? Or you are so much more experienced at vayne that you know that's not true? In which case I cringe at the this post since you should know by now that vayne is not broken.
I played a game where my whole team had some form of CC. The vayne on the other team hardly got any damage done because once one of us lands a CC she's pretty much dead. She even bought mercury treads instead of greaves to help with the CC because that's how badly CC hurts vayne (or any adc for that matter)
The best way to know the counter to a champion is to play that champion and see what people can do to you and what you can do to them. Crying about a certain skill on the forums then jumping down people's throats for not agreeing with you doesn't really help you improve or learn counter plays.
Dude xin is OP? cc him
Nidalee is OP? cc her
Ahri is OP? CC her
Akali is OP? CC her
Kha is OP? CC him
Ammumu is OP? CC HIM
See where i am going here? The argument CC her Spears with pink wards is way 2012 we have move on and even riot move on and they realize that "CC" is not a balance tactic!!
And vayne is not OP? that why she is every game and pretty much win every game?
Or "she have weak lane" that why she can go top and dominate or she can go bot and have a passive support and allow her to farm till 5 then the game is end for the other adc Because "hey AA 3 times you lost 12% plus 60 true damage of your max hp plus my Q damage plus my AA damage" and all because i just AA what if you have to land skill? i am more skilled adc man trust me -Vayne main!!
EndlessSorcerer1 votesIf they changed her W from true damage to physical damage, then they would have to increase the percentage of damage dealt.
This would mean that it would deal similar damage to tanks but significantly more damage to squishy targets.
That kind of defeats the point of the ability and the proposed change.
Phuc Dat Bich1 votesIf they changed her W from true damage to physical damage, then they would have to increase the percentage of damage dealt.
This would mean that it would deal similar damage to tanks but significantly more damage to squishy targets.
That kind of defeats the point of the ability and the proposed change.
then you can BUILD armor to counter that!!! so you can be FRONT line and tank the VAYNE damage as all tanks supposed to do and what they do with all other ADC
And no have vayne to be able to ignore tanks or melts tanks AND SQUISHI!
Sasogwa1 votes[{quoted}](name=Yeshua HAMASHIAJ,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vunXNAow,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-07-24T15:17:50.730+0000)
then you can BUILD armor to counter that!!! so you can be FRONT line and tank the VAYNE damage as all tanks supposed to do and what they do with all other ADC
And no have vayne to be able to ignore tanks or melts tanks AND SQUISHI!
Well though I hate vayne, this is pretty much the whole purpose/design of the champion. To melt you. And kite you. And /laugh when you desperately try to close the gap in vain (
). And kill you.
God I hate that bitch. But everything I hate about her, is all about her design and not really how strong she is. Kinda like 
"shivers"
Phuc Dat Bich1 votesWell though I hate vayne, this is pretty much the whole purpose/design of the champion. To melt you. And kite you. And /laugh when you desperately try to close the gap in vain (
God I hate that bitch. But everything I hate about her, is all about her design and not really how strong she is. Kinda like
"shivers"
so the purpose of a champion is to not have counter? Hmmm that dosent sound balanced
Sasogwa1 votes[{quoted}](name=Yeshua HAMASHIAJ,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vunXNAow,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-24T15:44:44.513+0000)
so the purpose of a champion is to not have counter? Hmmm that dosent sound balanced
No, her purpose is to shit over kiteable melee tanks and make them suffer. She does get countered by CC and burst [yeah, like everyone in this game], and she is beatable in a duo lane if you have a very strong botlane (I don't say she's weak, I say there are stronger early game botlanes)
Phuc Dat Bich1 votesNo, her purpose is to shit over kiteable melee tanks and make them suffer. She does get countered by CC and burst [yeah, like everyone in this game], and she is beatable in a duo lane if you have a very strong botlane (I don't say she's weak, I say there are stronger early game botlanes)
her purpose is to melt tanks right? cool but why she melt squishi too? oh i know because not only she have MAX hp true damage but she have BASE DAMAGE on top of that!!..
So that mean the squishis take 80 true damage per 3 AA plus the Max hp damage
Hmmmm so a champion that cant be counter by any class in the game but she can melt all classes in the game
Much balance man..such balance very balanced
EndlessSorcerer1 votesUh, she melts squishies because they are squishy and she's an ADC.
Considering squishies typically lack health and resistances, her 400-800 damage autoattacks are doing far more than 60+8% Max Health true damage every third hit.
Phuc Dat Bich1 votesUh, she melts squishies because they are squishy and she's an ADC.
Considering squishies typically lack health and resistances, her 400-800 damage autoattacks are doing far more than 60+8% Max Health true damage every third hit.
3 AA physical damage 600 damage
Condem 250 damage
Silver bullet proc 500 true damage
Man that so balanced....
The game i have right now on my match history yeah i was having trinity force (this damage values are before i buy BC)
But because i buy trinity force and i add my health pool 200 Health i need to get 500 true damage from AA ? darius need to stack 5 stacks and use an ultimate ability to deal that kind of damage ON MELEE RANGE ONLY ONCE
not every time he proc 3 AA
SO STFU and stop defending this cancer champions there is nothing balanced about it
EndlessSorcerer1 votesSo you are assuming that she has 200 AD, does not critically strike on any attack, and has no on-hit effects (i.e. BoRK) if you believe that three autoattack deal 600 damage pre-mitigation.
For the sake of convenience, my calculations will assume full build and max level.
Vayne at level 18 will have 109 Base AD plus 70AD from her ultimate. If we include items, she will be around 347 AD (including Blade of the Ruined King, Infinity Edge, Last Whisper, runes and masteries. Assuming Vayne has approximately 50% crit chance from an normal ADC build, her AA damage over three attacks would be around 1560 pre-mitigation, ignoring Tumble.
If you are going to try and argue, at least make your numbers realistic.
Phuc Dat Bich1 votesSo you are assuming that she has 200 AD, does not critically strike on any attack, and has no on-hit effects (i.e. BoRK) if you believe that three autoattack deal 600 damage pre-mitigation.
For the sake of convenience, my calculations will assume full build and max level.
Vayne at level 18 will have 109 Base AD plus 70AD from her ultimate. If we include items, she will be around 347 AD (including Blade of the Ruined King, Infinity Edge, Last Whisper, runes and masteries. Assuming Vayne has approximately 50% crit chance from an normal ADC build, her AA damage over three attacks would be around 1560 pre-mitigation, ignoring Tumble.
Even post-mitigation, the majority of Vayne's damage against squishy targets will be physical damage from her autoattacks.
For Silver Bolts to deal 500 true damage, the target would need 5500HP ((500-60)/0.08). Considering we are talking about her damage** to squishy champions**, that's obviously not going to happen. A more realistic health value would be 2500HP, where her Silver Bolts would deal 260 (60+0.08*2500) true damage every third autoattack.
If you are going to try and argue, at least make your numbers realistic.
the numbers i put was from the death analysis
And it was 600 Physical 500 true 250condem
So deal with it kiddo
try to defend more your cancer champion but dont worry after the worlds she going to get gutted then you will drop of what ever division you are now to bronze 5 because you wouldnt be able to play any other champs because the other champs need brain to play them!
EndlessSorcerer3 votesFirst, I don't even play Vayne. Varus and Tristana suit my playstyle more. You have more ranked games on Vayne than I do, even if you lost all three of them.
You might actually want to check a players history before you (incorrectly) accuse them of maining a champion. It's not like it's hard to see that I have no ranked games on Vayne.
If you didn't have 5500 Health, you wouldn't have taken 500 true damage from Silver Bolts after three autoattacks. Death recap aggregates the damage from skills, so that likely occurred over two or three applications of Silver Bolts (6 or 9 autoattacks).
If you did have 5500 Health and took 500 damage from one application of Silver Bolts, then you were by no means a squishy target and it's irrelevant to this conversation. In addition, you would require a lot of armor to reduce even three autoattacks down to 600 damage from a late-game Vayne.
Death recap is notoriously bugged in any case, so it isn't exactly suitable as evidence. (No Riot, I was in fact not killed by Revive, leave me alone).