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Can we finally rework Shaco or just hard gut him until then?

dunder kill··11 votes·1,074 views

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/shaco/platinum http://na.op.gg/champion/shaco/statistics/jungle http://champion.gg/champion/Shaco/Jungle https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Shaco/

I'm so sick of this champ. Anytime someone breathes near him he's suddenly completely broken OP again. Oh boy, made a few minor tweaks to Shaco now his playrate doubled or tripled while his WR skyrockets. Again. How long is it going to take before we figure out his kit is just cancer that abuses any item in his path more than even Ezreal? It's REALLY obvious to me that this champ has no middle ground

Isn't this a sign of a really awful design?

Everybody thats not actually playing him absolutely despises dealing with him. People hate playing against him. People hate playing WITH him. His kit is bullshit and lacks counterplay. Every single damage calculation people try to present as "proof" that Shaco will be bad completely ignores the fact that his clone does .75 total AD every time it autos you. Real convientient that got left out right?

And I'm beyond done listening to Shaco mains. After ever single change all you hear from them is "this is going to gut Shaco!". Then the changes happen and surprise surprise, still broken OP. Then the nerf comes and it's "Shaco will be unplayable!" LOL JK still broken OP. Same thing happened with these changes. "Wow more Shaco nerfs! Unfair Riot!" HUE HUE we broke him again

Sorry, not listening anymore. Not after the 7th time. You know the story of the boy who cried wolf don't you? I have never seen a group of mains collectively cry wolf more than Shaco.

Shaco needs a full scale update. Stop turning the coals because all it does is reignite the fire.

11 Comments

Fear the Kayn5 votes

Can you deep ward and play safe? Cause that's how you counter Shaco.

dunder kill4 votes

Yeah hold on one sec let me just leave lane and miss 2-3 waves to blindly walk into their jungle and drop a deep ward. Base case scenario I don't die and just get trashed for being a full level down on my lane opponent. Solid advice.

Fear the Kayn3 votes

I'm not talking deep jungle ward, I'm talking ward BEYOND the river bush (I'm assuming your bot lane). That way his invis time isn't long enough to walk past your ward and into your lane.

Αρχιδάκι4 votes

Not a Shaco main and nothing new to add, just a reminder. He is high risk high reward. If he has a decent early game his peak can be reached mid game however in late game he suffers.

Ixoziel4 votes

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Not a Shaco main and nothing new to add, just a reminder. He is high risk high reward. If he has a decent early game his peak can be reached mid game however in late game he suffers.

High risk? What? His ganks are very LOW risk. He's very hard to pin down between deceive, his boxes and his ult.

Αρχιδάκι4 votes

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High risk? What? His ganks are very LOW risk. He's very hard to pin down between deceive, his boxes and his ult.

Shaco is by far the highest risk-highest reward. You either single-handedly shut down the entire enemy teams early game single handedly with fearsome ganks, or you're useless.

Ixoziel2 votes

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Shaco is by far the highest risk-highest reward. You either single-handedly shut down the entire enemy teams early game single handedly with fearsome ganks, or you're useless.

That's simply not true. That sounds far more like you're describing Lee, who is total garbage after the early game. Shaco continues to have a good winrate even into the late game. Boxes provide good utility and he's a great splitpusher.

Pretty much every assassin has a winrate that drops off later into the game, other than Eve.

dunder kill4 votes

That's really weird because every Shaco main will tell you how garbage his early game is and how he needs time to scale LOL

d4rkshock3 votes

Riot wants to give him a full vgu as they stated in the assassin rework but I personally don't find him annoying. You just chase him. I never do. If he ganks, I'll either run or kill depending how I'm doing. There's much worse like if you get a rengar main in ur game, have fun playing black and white simulator.it could also be bacause I main shyvana so I take camps faster than he can invade and if I catch him as shyvana and he stays to fight, I will kill him. Even in lane, I had a game vs shaco recently and not too much trouble. Could be bacause arhi and I was even vs a Katarina and she beats arhi in lane.

Śhunpo3 votes

Uuuhhh Shaco's pickrate is average. If you want to compare him to Ezreal please do so because Ezreal has a 44%+ pickrate with a 51-52% winrate. If that isn't broken I don't know what it is.

datfatguy2 votes

I personally think it's the same situation with Kalista. Her kit is just so poorly designed so it's almost impossible to balance her. She's either complete shit tier or she's just flat out broken. Agree though, fuck Shaco.

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