Idea for Twitch Nerfs

Jimmy Rustles·Oct 29, 2017·10 votes·882 views

Since Riot can't think of a way to help get twitch in line with other characters in the game, here are 2 simple ways to knock him down a peg without breaking the champion

Option 1: Remove the bonus AD from his ult, that way he still does damage, but it won't kill his damage completely since he'll either have to make more AD items or just deal with the fact with the minor damage loss

Option 2: When he gets hit in stealthed, he should instantly be knocked out of stealth and stunned for 1 second since you technically would startle him, as he thinks hes unseen, this would make twitch players think twice about blindly stealthing in the middle of fights or running in without thinking as they could be heavily punished

17 Comments

Chembaron YamadaOct 29, 20175 votes

Option 2 is an absolutely terrible idea. No other champion with stealth has the same treatment, while your thematical explanation could apply to all of them and gameplaywise it seems not fair for Twitch players.

Option 1 would make the skill a little underwhelming, it means that the skill just becomes piercing bolts without any other effects, which means that there will be many situation in which your ult does absolutely nothing for you.

My own suggestion: if Twitch is in x range of you in camo, then you get a green gas screen border. It's warning you about his presence, but without giving away his exact position. Fits into their other assassin warning designs. And it fits thematically, you can't see him, but you can smell that he is around.

OMGSoAnnoyingOct 29, 20172 votes

Actually... that's incorrect.

Many other champions with camouflage effects, one hit breaks the stealth. Eve breaks, Rengar does as well. They are also spotted by control wards while in stealth.

Champions with an invisibility mechanic do not break stealth when hit, such as Vayne while ulting, Shaco after Q or Akali in her shroud. Control wards do not spot invisible champions.

I would say the one second stun is over the top. But Twitch being hit while camouflaged should certainly break the stealth. Especially since this particular stealth effect he has a reset for (any champion taking damage from his passive on dying resets his Q completely).

Chembaron YamadaOct 29, 20173 votes

Evelynn doesn't break out of camo because that is a camo mechanic. Her passive directly states that she is in camo while out of combat. Getting hit puts her in combat and therefore she loses her passive.

And I am pretty sure that Rengar's camo does not wear off if he gets hit. He just shimmers in that case (the same happens with Twitch if he gets hit in camo). Evelynn is a special case since her passive just works while she isn't in combat. Rengar and Twitch don't have that requirement and shouldn't get revealed in that case in my opinion.

OyddAWqJ5rOct 29, 20172 votes

Hahahahahaha option 2 dear god yes lmfao if only

AhrisOct 29, 20171 votes

2nd option is just dumb imo and the first one is meh. It is fine i guess if weare looking into making him more of completely lategame with no midgame or early

RexxieeOct 29, 20171 votes

He needs the ult nerf + base stat nerfs.

He needs to be the weakest early game adc due to his ult and removing the bonus AD from his ult delays his "i win" spike another item or so.

Rıots Bad ClientOct 29, 20171 votes

Here are my suggestions.

Option 1 W slow shouldn't throughout the whole thing. Instead have it slow on first impact.

Option 2 Increase his detection radius on his stealth Just little of his base auto attack range.

Option 3 make it that the first auto out of stealth deal only 80% of the initial dmg (Or make it so that It Can't Crit even at 100%)

Option 4 Nerf item 3085 radius (smaller cone)

Option 5- Have this Ambush slow you movement speed by 25% when you get out of stealth.

Option 6- Have a singed poison like trail that you can see even in the fog of war(as long as your inrange to see it) while hes in stealth

Option 7- Some crazy shit Make it that his autos deal less damage. like by a lot. And make it that so the more stacks that they have the more damage his autos will deal. (So at the 3rd stack he will do avarage damage.)

And when his E is on Cool down, he can't add anymore stacks on any other target. (and to maybe have it worth Pressing E, When you press E the true damage will Deal double the damage, and expires faster.

Daddy AntsOct 29, 20175 votes

All he needs is the stealth detection range increased to match his attack range.

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Option 4 Nerf radius (smaller cone)

No.

That'll hurt Jinx Varus as well.

Rıots Bad ClientOct 29, 20171 votes

Well, I feel like Varus is not in a huge rut.

How ever If jink is hit a bit to hard from this, You can alway increase the radius of the rockets Explosions to make up for the Loss.

Varus I feel should rely on his artillery rather than the spread. So I Feel maybe they should change varus a bit.

OyddAWqJ5rOct 29, 20172 votes

Never nerf an item for the sake of a single champion.

Unless the abuser is Ezreal. Then sadly the item is gonna be nerfed cuz Ezreal breaks that rule for some reason.

Rest in peace Runic Echoes.

Rıots Bad ClientOct 29, 20172 votes

I don't think Twitch is the issue.

I always thought item 3085 was way to strong, and I feel its kept some champions in the gutter. I mean, they're in there for thier own reason, But its this one item thats the final nail in the coffin.

KogMaw , Twitch , Jinx , Kayle , Ashe and maybe some others would be effected. (Like some Teemo builds)

l just feel that item should be nerfed for its own reasons. Rather than because of twitch. I mean, its that item+ twitchs Ult makes MissFortune Obsolete. IMO (weather that is true or not) That item has to much ground where I feel like its overshadowing the champions True Potential.

Twitch That champion where you need picks, or good team fighting in the jung. Now Becomes a team wiping champion KogMaw The champion where champions are nothing but tanky now becomes Aoe Shreading monster. Varus The champion who you bring for the ariliery now becomes Hp shread chunk. To me thats is a good route of lot of issues keeping alot of champions from their true self.

The recent example where it was a huge issue was when Caitlyn Had that interaction.

**Like adc's Are REALLY good in team fights. Giving them AOE/Wave Clear and special interactions makes them feel to strong. **

BUT thats just me.

OyddAWqJ5rOct 29, 20171 votes

"AoE"

UNIQUE - Winds Fury: When Basic attacking, bolts are fired at up to 2 enemies near the target, each dealing 40% AD physical damage.

Literally Jinx is the only AoE user. Twitch just adds 2 more hits to his ult upping his maximum 5 hits to 7 (which is more like 5 n 6/8ths).

Varus was always a HP shredder, now he's just a viable one with Runaans. Kog is eh maybe but hes balanced around that interaction to where he's pretty bad without it.

AirKingNeoOct 29, 20171 votes

W slow should be the entire thing, it just shouldn't stack his passive forever and give him waveclear.

Nerfing Hurricane because 1 champion? Sounds like a stupid thing that Riot would do.

Rıots Bad ClientOct 29, 20171 votes

Oh, no. Lol

The main reason is because of this

Adc's Are REALLY good in team fights. Giving them AOE/Wave Clear and special interactions makes them feel to strong.

I just suggested it because I feel it would affected twitch pretty heavily. Since the Interaction With his ult. +Plus hes a late game champion and nerfing his ability to rapid farm would also delay it.

Chembaron YamadaOct 29, 20171 votes

If we went with option 6, then his camo has absolutely no sense and they can get rid of the skill entirely. What does a camo have for a benefit if the enemy still sees where you are walking, even in fog of war?

Rıots Bad ClientOct 29, 20171 votes

Think Shaco Smoke and how Reksai could see some invisible champions. The ability would get heavily nerfed. But he'd still be able to move really fast while in stealth, and will still the attack speed bonus.

Some just argue that his Q Feels like an ult. With no indicators of him comming to your lane. Like how Rangar does, Or shaco.

I always word my stuff Poorly

(because When I say singed. I don't mean A constant trail, But could act like it. So lets say a powder of smoke would Update 0.5 seconds and the more points you put in it the less frequent it would update.

But yea, its not the best idea. But Its still a suggestion to make the Stealth from him less fustrating