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Riven, always in the spotlight yet avoids the nerf light

Jimmy Rustles··14 votes·904 views

Can we seriously just admit Riven is a huge problem, and has been for way too long?

She has basically everything you would want in a champion

Damage? Yep Mobility? Got some to spare Tankiness? Sure does Execute? Hows about an aoe one Counterplay? Don't go to lane

Does she require skill? Of course she does, I'm never going to say she's a brainless no skill champ or anything, but even if you've rarely played her you can generally do well because of how overloaded she is, and a otp riven is just even worse to deal with.

I'm not going to demand nerfs across the board, but you really either gotta decrease the scaling on her shield, or nerf the ult a smidge

EDIT:

I realized after hitting submit this is kinda just pure whinyness, so lets actually explain some more stuff

Sure you can build more armor against her cuz she does only do AD, but her 2 primary items are BC and DD, so shes gunna easily heal through any damage you can do to her while shredding your armor

Can she be countered by range?

Yes and no, there are some ranged champions who can really hurt her in lane, such as everyones favorite quinn who kinda does that to everyone in top lane, but the hyper mobility she gets from her kit (and sometimes ghostblade) will let her catch up to more than a few of her ranged opponents

The ABSOLUTE biggest kicker is, almost all of the champions that actually have/had potential to counter her big time, were nerfed or the items they liked were nerfed

Remember how god awful laning against poppy was as riven? Now you kinda don't really care about her anymore

21 Comments

archerno16 votes

-No sustain -All physical damage means she easily shut down with armor -Tankiness only in form of shield, if CCed she dies easily -Useless if she falls behind and its easy to keep her behind

  • No ranged abilities.
  • Relatively predictable attack pattern.

Next time if you gonna write post like this, post cons too, not just pros

strut1 votes

if CCed She dies easily Everyone dies easily if CCed

Relatively predictable attack pattern I can't think of any champion that doesn't have a 'relatively predictable attack pattern'

its easy to keep her behind 30 cs down baby

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Kalózúr,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BFHVpBte,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-09-01T11:15:44.169+0000)

Everyone dies easily if CCed I can't think of any champion that doesn't have a 'relatively predictable attack pattern' 30 cs down baby

Not everyone dies easily if CCed and some champs u cant CC. For example you cant CC Olaf. Also counter to Swain for example isnt CC, he still heals and does damage. Direct counter to poke also isnt CC but hard engage. Counter to Singed also isnt CC. Riven on the other hand is engage champion who cant deal damage, heal, shield herself , CC you or do anything when she is CCed. So her direct counter is CC.

I can think of many champions that dont have relatively predictable attack pattern. All champions that rely on mind games or stealth fall in this category. Shaco, Leblanc, Wukong,Zac...

If you cant beat someone who is 30 CS behind, then you need to l2p simply

strut1 votes

{quoted}

Not everyone dies easily if CCed and some champs u cant CC. For example you cant CC Olaf. Also counter to Swain for example isnt CC, he still heals and does damage. Direct counter to poke also isnt CC but hard engage. Counter to Singed also isnt CC. Riven on the other hand is engage champion who cant deal damage, heal, shield herself , CC you or do anything when she is CCed. So her direct counter is CC.

I can think of many champions that dont have relatively predictable attack pattern. All champions that rely on mind games or stealth fall in this category. Shaco, Leblanc, Wukong,Zac...

If you cant beat someone who is 30 CS behind, then you need to l2p simply

You didnt get the cs part did you

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Kalózúr,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BFHVpBte,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-01T12:02:11.561+0000)

You didnt get the cs part did you

Well its hard to get something from:

"30 cs down baby"

strut1 votes

{quoted}

Well its hard to get something from:

"30 cs down baby"

Riven is a lane bully > if you want to make sure she doesn't get kills you sacrifice a shitload of cs > "If you cant beat someone who is 30 CS behind, then you need to l2p simply"

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Kalózúr,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BFHVpBte,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-01T14:24:46.966+0000)

Riven is a lane bully > if you want to make sure she doesn't get kills you sacrifice a shitload of cs > "If you cant beat someone who is 30 CS behind, then you need to l2p simply"

Riven is not a lane bully. Riven gets rekt by lane bullies. Riven just hit powerspike at lvl 3 and 6 which u need to watch out for. You can CS just fine with Riven on lane.

KVbqbFsC8e3 votes

In what way is Riven "always in the spotlight"?

Slythion2 votes

You only talked about her kit. What does talking about her kit have to do with establishing a champion's strength in a statement/discussion? Talking about what one's kit is a good way to address a champion's power level, but it is not a logical way to prove your claim that she's op.

Use statistics to prove that a champion is too strong/weak. Using their kit as "proof" is actually just talking about how fun they are to play against and isn't very related to the champion's strength

Edit: As Archer said, you hardly even addressed the entire champion as well. If you wish to discuss a champion you need to state your opinion but include all the facts, not just the ones that support your opinion to frame it in such a biased way

Jimmy Rustles3 votes

{quoted}

You only talked about her kit. What does talking about her kit have to do with establishing a champion's strength in a statement/discussion? Talking about what one's kit has is a good way to address a champion's power level, but it is not a logical way to prove your claim that she's op.

Use statistics to prove that a champion is too strong/weak. Using their kit as "proof" is actually just talking about how fun they are to play against and isn't very related to the champion's strength

Well the fact she has a high play rate, and high win rate in every single division excluding bronze are good statistics about her problems

archerno14 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BFHVpBte,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-08-27T14:13:20.780+0000)

Well the fact she has a high play rate, and high win rate in every single division excluding bronze are good statistics about her problems

She is fun to play. Which is why she has high play rate. She stands on 50% winrate. Thats neither high nor low. Thats what winrate of a balanced champion should be.

Jimmy Rustles2 votes

{quoted}

She is fun to play. Which is why she has high play rate. She stands on 50% winrate. Thats neither high nor low. Thats what winrate of a balanced champion should be.

Well I mean she actually leans more towards above the 50% win rate when you don't count bronze, cuz most people don't

BurRito has the habit of knocking down champs who have high play rated + higher win rates as well

I mean, remember how many nerfs Yasuo got in a row because he had a high play rate? Now he sits at 50% with a lower play rate, so why not knock down someone who has been in the spotlight even longer at this point?

archerno12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BFHVpBte,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-27T14:23:33.087+0000)

Well I mean she actually leans more towards above the 50% win rate when you don't count bronze, cuz most people don't

BurRito has the habit of knocking down champs who have high play rated + higher win rates as well

I mean, remember how many nerfs Yasuo got in a row because he had a high play rate? Now he sits at 50% with a lower play rate, so why not knock down someone who has been in the spotlight even longer at this point?

Yasuo didnt get nerf due to his play rate, but due to constant bitching on forums. Also her counters werent nerfed. Her hardest counter is Pantheon. He wasnt nerfed. Trundle just got buffed again. Renekton also wasnt nerfed. Only Fiora got nerfed and its her skill matchup, not counter.

Also, if u just look Diamond and above, thats only 3% of playerbase. And what % of those 3% play Riven? How can u get accurate statistics from 3% of playerbase>?

Nhifu2 votes

Her 1-5 is garbage

Past the midgame she is literally useless without flash E

And she dies, way too fast. Doesn't take turrets on the sideline that fast either.

One of the easiest targets to focus down when exhausted too.

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

You said Riven is tanky and has no counterplay...

Also, you said it like those 5 things give her everything. ... That's not true.

She has the tools to shred armor, but stacking armor usually still destroys her (at least, it did before tank item rework, not sure now).

She's also super vulnerable to armor before she finishes BC. Then she's super vulnerable to not killing you quick enough before finishing DD.

She does a lot of damage, but that's only later on. Early game most bruisers can match her easily.

Salson1 votes

The ABSOLUTE biggest kicker is, almost all of the champions that actually have/had potential to counter her big time, were nerfed or the items they liked were nerfed

That's the only kicker. Is she strong, yup. Is she stronger than she should be, nope otherwise you'd see her as Bot and Mid. Are some other top laners currently underpowered and in need of buffs, yup.

When you see shit like Talon and Akali coming top, and shit like Tryndamere and Pantheon being good without direct buffs, you know half the champion pool in underpowered.

Though all champs will have their base stats changed in the Rune rework. We will see how it affects Riven and the meta itself.

TakeAGuessNerd1 votes

As a riven player, I honestly feel that the majority of the problems lies in BC and lethality items. Considering her low cd kit and fast combos, BC applies that much fast and negates armor with lethality. When that's done, she can wait for her cd to go back because of how low it is, and go back in. Besides that, her general build makes her bulky; combine that with a strong, versatile, low cd shield, and one of the best mobility, killing her will be harder than it should be.

But in laning phase, she still lacks sustain and range. And to use her effectively, she needs level 3 and some items. Otherwise, if not played smart, she can be killed easily. Aside from that, while it's on a low cd, her w and 3rd q are still short ranged, so it's not as reliable as other ccs.

Still, this does not change her problem that once she gets her items, she's too bulky too kill, and reduces too much armor too fast that it negates armor. What I feel that could be change is her general itemisation and maybe nerf her e scaling.

But I still feel that there are other champs that requires changes more changes than riven.

SpookyNeedle1 votes

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Bańg1 votes

WHEN someone plays riven on the enemy team and I ask my support to press on her exhaust on riven the second she tries to get into a fight . HaHAA xD nice try riven you almost got to play the game u silly bitch!

The steam life1 votes

if she was broken she would be in lcs oh she only does damage and if she decides not to do damage she has 1.5 sec of close range cc yeah shes busted she can peel so well for her team and with her INSANE mobility its so easy to get to the backline witout flash like come on we both know she doesnt need nerf

Wînter Fox1 votes

I miss threads like this. I hope she finally gets picked in the playoffs so many more of these nerf Riven threads start crawling back onto the boards

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