Why does Teemo's toxic shot have no cooldown or mana cost?

Cloud273··2 votes·2,095 views

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure this is the only ability in the game to get this special treatment. Abilities have cooldowns and costs for a reason, so you can't spam them over and over. That's why Ezreal has the highest mana costs in the game and is forced to build a tear (and max CDR) every game. Anyways, toxic shot shouldn't have 100% uptime. Please change this ability so it's actually balanced.

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1011001110007 votes

His Toxic Shot cannot apply Spell Effects and is thematically cohesive with his kit and theme.

If anything, the fact that it takes up an entirely ability slot and isn't just part of his actual passive is holding him back.

Cloud2731 votes

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His Toxic Shot cannot apply Spell Effects and is thematically cohesive with his kit and theme.

If anything, the fact that it takes up an entirely ability slot and isn't just part of his actual passive is holding him back.

Yea, his stealth, blind, and free vision really hold him back...

And THANK GOD it doesn't apply spell effects. It would be stupid as f*ck to put that on an ability with no cooldown.

1011001110001 votes

I'm not talking about holding him back in terms of strength. His kit needs to be reworked and rebalanced to be more healthy for the game's balance as a whole, and one of the issues is that an entire ability slot is taken up by a dinky on-hit passive.

His kit's toxic as shit. It holds him back from being relatively balanceable and playable with respect to the state of the game as it has been for the last couple of years.

Brindar5 votes

its called a passive effect, there are plenty of them in the game, in fact each champion has one, its the box on the left that you have even at level one before you put a point in any ability

Cloud2731 votes

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its called a passive effect, there are plenty of them in the game, in fact each champion has one, its the box on the left that you have even at level one before you put a point in any ability

Pointless information that we already know. And you still haven't answered my question.

MisterHealYoGirl3 votes

Cho'Gath's E, Vi's W, Vayne's W, and Warwick's E are all pure passives with no active component. Just because it's passive doesn't mean that it's broken. Also, if you think that Ezreal's 28 mana for a Mystic Shot is a good example of mana gating in lane, allow me to introduce Lissandra, whose Q costs 85 mana at rank one and does less damage.

Tysmin3 votes

you told everyone to correct you if you were wrong and you are wrong there are plenty of abilities in the game that have no active aspect only a passive

Edit: Also ezreal has far from the highest mana costs in the game people build tear on him because his strength is in his abilities and it gives him a bunch of free ad towards the end of the game

ZephyrDrake3 votes

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Pointless information that we already know. And you still haven't answered my question.

yes he did, learn to read. Teemo's E is a passive ability, it has no active component and there are plenty of skills in the game that are like that. Hell a lot of champions have an ability that has both a passive element to it AND an active portion. You know one part that is always active and the other with the actual mana cost and CD? That's the reason his E doesn't cost mana or has a CD. Because it's a passive, you want it to be an active and has a mana cost? then i hope you are prepared to have it buff by quite a bit then

Cloud2731 votes

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yes he did, learn to read. Teemo's E is a passive ability, it has no active component and there are plenty of skills in the game that are like that. Hell a lot of champions have an ability that has both a passive element to it AND an active portion. You know one part that is always active and the other with the actual mana cost and CD? That's the reason his E doesn't cost mana or has a CD. Because it's a passive, you want it to be an active and has a mana cost? then i hope you are prepared to have it buff by quite a bit then

No he didn't. I asked why Teemo's 'e' shouldn't cost mana or have a cooldown. I didn't get an answer.

Blitzidious3 votes

:l He did. Very few passives actually have cooldowns, and I don't know I single champion with a passive that costs mana. His E, said passive, takes up a spot where an active could go.

If you're having problems with Teemo, try being more farm-focused early game, and rush an mr item, such as Banshee's, or Spirit's. Teemo isn't a healthy champion, but he's far from overpowered.

Brindar2 votes

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Pointless information that we already know. And you still haven't answered my question.

its hard to answer your question when you dont even ask one. All you said was "correct me if im mistaken" which everyone here has done.

Meep Man5 votes

Chogath E has this and applies spell effects Fizz W has this and applies spell effects Darius Passive technically gives all his AAs and abilities this Kayle E passive gives her attacks this yet weaker Kindred Passive is technically this Lulu Passive is this Orianna Passive is this Thresh E is this Twitch Passive is this Varus W has this Warwick Passive has this

All these are on-hit effects attached to a champion's kit that come at no cost or cool down that also deal immediate damage.

Lenny96y1 votes

4 of them are melee characther,great part of the others require some sorta of stacking or cost to be actually useful and for the rest it just helps them because their kit its not so good (the only exception is for kayle but only her) and no one of that is cancerous and stupid like teemo E or has a authistic 60% AP SCALING,

Murford4 votes

Cho'Gath E is the same way. You can toggle it on and off, but no cool down or mana cost.

Ruin Lance1 votes

actually you aren't able to turn off toxic shot once you level it

Billy VoHagen4 votes

This is how we tell when someone is bad.

Lenny96y1 votes

thanks for the mature comment random retarded kid in this community

tommyagun1 votes

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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure this is the only ability in the game to get this special treatment. Abilities have cooldowns and costs for a reason, so you can't spam them over and over. That's why Ezreal has the highest mana costs in the game and is forced to build a tear (and max CDR) every game. Anyways, toxic shot shouldn't have 100% uptime. Please change this ability so it's actually balanced.

If you ever played teemo you would realize how wrong your statement is. Teemo's q cooldown is in a good spot its not too short or too long and the mana cost for it is high. Look at vlad's q which is cheaper and on a shorter cooldown.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Why would Teemo be the only marksman with downtime on His autoattacks? Because they scale of ap rather than ad?

Lenny96y1 votes

teemo marksman nice joke here buddy

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

it would be the worst spell ever

"activate this to do baby damage to your enemy while eating away your own mana"

Cloud2731 votes

He already gets a blind, stealth, and free wards. Why does he need more free damage? He should have to pay for his abilities like (almost) everyone else.

Atanchan1 votes

You mean like Akali Bard Braum Caitlyn Chogath Darius Diana Ekko Elise Fiora Fizz Gangplank Gnar Graves JarvanIV Jax Jhin Kassadin Kennen Kindred Lulu MasterYi MissFortune Nautilus Nocturne Orianna Poppy Quinn Rammus Shaco TahmKench Thresh Tryndamere TwistedFate Twitch Vayne Vi Warwick Zed and Ziggs?

Yeah, it's really strange. No other champion gets on-hit damage by just using an ability point, and not even Teemo gets on-hit damage without even skilling anything, so why the special treatment?

Baunjo1 votes

Jesus please do NOT give Certainly T any idea's... I'm perfectly okay with some extra dot on auto attacks. I mean, for real, have you EVER played against Orianna with someone who is short ranged? At least Teemo E takes up an ability.

Miku Lv991 votes

It's just some extra damage from auto-attacking. It's not really a problem. I don't even think it's as good as Vayne's silver bolts since they scale so much harder than Teemo's. And Vayne is better than Teemo is right now so you'd be more likely to get somewhere complaining about her's always being up.

EmEx1 votes

Ez highest mana cost? I thought Swain, Cassio, Anivia have higher, they run out even with blue buff.

MysteriousBootie1 votes

MEANWHILE IN BRONZE V

Lenny96y1 votes

oh sure mister unranked, at least bronze 5 players try to get out from there you dont even play ranked tell me how you are better than them please

The Deckowner1 votes

Because this is a passive ability, that gives teemo enhanced auto attack that will cause DOT effect on enemy. Twitch has similar thing

Colgate Gator1 votes

Because Teemo is already unviable as he is.

If he had a mana cost for his toxic shot, he would need other things buffed, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT!?

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