What if Riven's shield scaled off max HP instead of having a base value?

Photos of Ghosts··6 votes·771 views

That would give her a more healthy fallback pattern, which would allow a less aggressive and tense gameplay, which would reduce the saltiness of Riven mains, which would reduce the Riven hate, which would allow her to be stronger stat-wise.

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3tyson6 votes

Im gonne get upvotes for this but make riven shiels scale with mana

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Urgod mode on

Very Hard Engage3 votes

nah, just make it like old champs, make it scale with ap for no reason at all (despite being an ad encouraged champion).

FistOfSharkiesha1 votes

It's a tradeoff. If AD champions had good AD scaling abilities there would be no reason to play a mage. Most AD champions with strong abilities such as Poppy, Wukong, etc have AP ratios to prevent them from being able to burst people down and then continue on to AA champions to death while their abilities are on cooldown.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

different than riven how??????? when her basic AA's are even more empowered by her Q.

Sightless664 votes

Wukong? His only ap ratio is on his w. Everything else is ad, and he hits like a truck and can auto people to death after bursting someone down with abilities. He doesn't fit your claim at all.

Even when ad scaling champions have ad scaling abilities there are still good reasons to play mages. Mages tend to get more of other traits. Range is a good example. You won'the find any ad casters with a mage's range. CC is another. Mages tend towards having higher amounts of it or easier access to it. There are enough advantages to give mages that we can afford to give ad champions ad scaling abilities.

FistOfSharkiesha1 votes

Like I said, when an AD champion would otherwise be too strong with abilities, they have useless AP scaling to balance them out. Wukong only has 1 AP ratio because that's all he needs to not be overbearing. You're completely missing the point. You proved my points honestly. He's strong and has amazing teamfight, he doesn't need to deal 300 more damage from his aoe decoy because it scales on AD.

Sightless662 votes

Like I said, when an AD champion would otherwise be too strong with abilities, they have useless AP scaling to balance them out.

That would be true if all AD scaling champions had AP scaling. I can point to plenty that don't. No AP scaling on Zed, Talon, etc, because using AP ratios to balance champions isn't actually what Riot does

AP scaling isn't used to balance champions out. That's never the point of it. It's used as a design choice, not a balance choice. It is used when a skill has a reason to not need numbers to be useful. For Wukong the decoy functions without doing dmaage, so giving it AP scaling just ensures that it won't scale in terms of damage. If he needed it to do damage, it would have AD scaling.

Riven's shield needs to have numbers to work. Shields have no value if they have no way to scale. It needs to have AD scaling, or at least HP scaling, if it is going to be a useful mechanic on her kit.

That's why Riot has moved away from purely AP scaling shields on AD or Tanky champions. It's why they changed Sion's shield to max HP, Skarner's shield to max HP, and Urgot's shield to mana. AP scaling shields just become useless as the game moves on, and it makes the mechanic pointless as the game goes on. AP scaling shields on AD or tanky are not a design decisin Riot has chosen to support.

Slamurai Jack3 votes

Do we really want to encourage tank Riven? Her shield has AD scaling for the exact same reason Yasuo has double crit; Build damage, and lots of it, or look forward to not scaling late game.

FistOfSharkiesha2 votes

Or AP. Many AD champions have AP scaling shields to balance them. An AD bruiser with 4 dashes on a low CD shouldn't have AD or HP scaling shield at all.

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

Maybe like Skarner. HP base, AP scaling. But that's more of a nerf, and I don't think she needs any atm.

RIVENNNNN ONLYYY1 votes

you really want a 40% CD reduction tank Riven with 4k HP just ccing everyone? THAT'S REAL keyboard smashing.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Well, she has CC, if she had some sort of durability she would be a good utility provider for the team in case of failing to snowball.

Ionian1 votes

Actually a nice idea, I tend to build item 3143 item 3071 item 3065item 3748 as Riven because I can still oneshot squishies without also dying instantly. item 3065 with item 3074 item 3072item 2140 is just ridiculous lol.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

On Quinn I always go item 3153 item 3065 and heals for days

GrReaper961 votes

Well its not enough but its something.....

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