So...evelynn Ultimate change did not go through?

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Can't do anything about it til they remove the perma stealth. Ever since the second failed rework. Ages ago. Shes broken as long as the passive stays in a fundamental kind of way. Hence non stop nerfs ever since. The ult change wasn't going to end up mattering too much anyways.

I agree. I like her passive, it's unique, but it creates too much contention. It will need to be an active part of her kit if it's going to be balanced.

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I'm sure that's why your account has many recent games that show you playing mostly arams and unrankeds.

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You know you play League of Legends too much, when you believe it is the only game that can be played Professionally. This was a really ignorant statement for you to make.

Except I have proof and you have..... nothing.

And? You are going under the assumption that I denied your rank being existant. I did no such thing, if anything, I congratulated you on your accomplishment. I pointed out, that your accomplishment in League is your accomplishment in League, It does not mean you have an understanding of game balance as a whole, or that you understand the balancing of the champion itself. It means you understand the intricacy of the game, how to play the game, but doesn't inherently grant you knowledge the abstract concepts about the balance of the game.

How is she fine?

I provided my own personal statistics doing well in Plat bracket but alright, here is champion gg providing Evelynn information in Plat and above; 49.7% win rate across almost 4% of games which is very reasonable https://champion.gg/champion/Evelynn .

Basically your argument is garbage.

Even if I had all the time in the world, I would not be capable of covering all the reasons you are wrong. The reason no one discusses anything with you dominicke, is because it is pointless to do so. Win rate I'd a very weak statistic. Again, too many reasons to list, and you do not have the understanding necessary. Otherwise, you would not bring it up.

Edit: Hey I found some extra time! We'll do a brief statement of Why win rate doesn't matter. (much)

WIN RATE! Number 1 piece of statistical data which the mass majority of forum goers use in their arguments. It is very weak statistically, however, and it is why Riot stated explicitly it isn't a part of their consideration for balancing Champions. Why?

For several reasons

1. Statistical data needs to have other points of data to support it. Making the statement of "It is 95 degrees outside, therefore Global warming is occurring" would not be considered seriously. Even if you stated "The average temperature is 95 degrees, this is 4 degrees (Fahrenheit) higher than the past 15 years!" It wouldn't be considered seriously, because this would be a reflection of the local temperature. It doesn't relate to the GLOBAL temperature.

2. Win rate for a champion only states how often they win in general. Which means, when they get picked X amount of the time, and they aren't banned Y amount of the time, they win Z amount of the time. This is extremely generic, because it doesn't illustrate team compositions in which the champion is most effective and thus, provide a more accurate example of when the champion can succeed. Which is what we want to know.

3. Win rate itself, as a statistic, was relied primarily on 1v1 games. In games such as Street fighter, those 7-3 ratios are a type of win rate statistic. ken vs Chun-li is 7-3 in favor of Ken. In other words, if an EQUALLY SKILLED CHUN LI FACED AN EQUALLY SKILLED KEN PLAYER. KEN WOULD WIN 70% of the time!

This is part of why Win rate as a lone statistic is a very weak statistic, as its relevancy grows only with other statistical data, AND only when it approaches extremes.

Case in point.

Lee Sin has a 50% win rate. By itself, one would say, hey, Lee SIn is balanced. Lee Sin has a 50% winr ate, and a 50% pick rate. This would suggest there may be a problem, because in a game of 127 champions, where everyone is (perfect world) picked equally, he is seeing significantly greater popularity than everyone else. Well... still doesn't mean there is a problem.

Lee Sin has a 50% win rate, a 50% pick rate, a 98% ban rate. See where this is going now? Your win rate only becomes as relevant as

1. The other statistics accompanying it
2. When those statistics along with win rate, begin to approach extremes.

Well... what good is win rate then? It can be used as part of a system of determining if there is a problem with a champion.

Well...how do we balance a champion? How do we know it is a genuine problem?

YOU don't, the data necessary for determining such an issue is in the hands of Riot. This is primarily because of the many different factors affecting the game.

1. It is 5v5. Composition is extremely important for a champion's viability. We cannot access that data easily or entirely.
2. Skill level is extremely important, and while we can watch Solo queue games, these are solo queue and the team work dynamic is often missing. Dynamic queue helps this quite a bit, much to th chagrine of the community, but generally, you aren't see an accurate representation of what a champion's capability.
3. Alter the champion's numbers and see the impact on their gameplay overall through the community.

Number 3 is why Evelynn's ult has hardly been touched. Meanwhile, you see her Q get altered constantly, her W get altered, her E get altered. These changes are meaningful, as the most that can be done with Eve's ult is number tuning, which won't affect it greatly enought o truly impact her gameplay.

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Before I can continue the conversation, I need to know: are you aware that the change still left Evelynn's damage dependent on how much HP the enemy target had? It was a flat value that was modified based on what %HP the target had. On the PBE, you would still miss out on damage on the target if you used it when they were at less than 100% health. I can't tell if you're aware of that or not because even with the change it was still suboptimal to use her ult on targets you'd already dealt damage to.

Yes I am aware of it, cut the current HP, make it flat, alter based on HP, give minimum. My contention is going with the idea of removing the based on HP entirely, which I have proposed in the past before. Let alone let us consider this, what is stopping Riot from altering the numbers so it wouldn't have been detrimental? One cannot simply look at it face value and state "well this is an AWFUL idea". It needs to be considered how her gameplay is being affected.