To everyone that was wishing that Rammus would one day get an ability that would self inflict a slow so powerful that it seems like he has 4 second stunned himself, I hope you are enjoying this season.
abca9818 votesI have played 3 Rammus games in my life: One was agaisnt Vayne, other one was against Quinn and the third one was after the self-slow change. Ather that I realized that Riot doesn't want me to play Rammus.
Blade of Justic10 votesRammus: Punishing himself while making the enemy punish themselves.
Meep Man5 votesRammus, God of Masochism
PapaGreg2114 votes"Am I moving? I think I might be moving."
Cavesloth6 votesRiot is slowly ruining all the junglers I like. First Sejuani, now Rammus, next up Volibear!!! JK mobility creep and the nerf to his AS early put him in the dumpster already.
OP Garen Support5 votesVolibear is already nerfed when Riot removed loads of HP from tank items.
Cavesloth4 votesYeah that came after mobility creep and the nerf to his early AS put him the dumpster. Now they carried his corpse off to the landfill with those changes.
OP Garen Support3 votesNot just him every other HP scaling champion got nerfed hard without any compensation buffs.
Cavesloth4 voteshttps://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/xGXTN428-junglers-are-buying-knights-vow-toplaners-are-back-to-being-a-living-bait-for-enemy-adc guy made a great thread about what they did to tanks.
Glory ln Death2 votesFalse. Sion got a buff.
One Ashe On6 votesThe slow on the W is crippling.. they need to tone it down or straight remove it. Rammus player ain't playing him anymore because of how bad he is now..
SanKakU2 votesActually, I'll play him again now. Players just have to get used to it. The Q is faster than ever before and the E is different now. Not what he used to be though, that's for sure. Can't level up the self-slow until it's the only thing left.
I think they could tone it down a little, at least if you level it up. Otherwise, you can never level it up until late game.
One Ashe On2 votesActually, I'll play him again now. Players just have to get used to it. The Q is faster than ever before and the E is different now. Not what he used to be though, that's for sure. Can't level up the self-slow until it's the only thing left.
I think they could tone it down a little, at least if you level it up. Otherwise, you can never level it up until late game.
If Rammus rest of his kit got buffed i could understand the slow on his W, but he got nerfed on every of his spell.. even his reflect damage is lower than before.. so the W slow is not welcome.
Ashen Rider1 votesIt's not like his ult has a huge slow on it now.
One Ashe On2 votes[{quoted}](name=Ashen Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vRR12yJx,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-23T09:38:22.964+0000)
It's not like his ult has a huge slow on it now.
A slow that require 8 ticks before get max slow wich is fairly long, and people with dash or even flash can just ignore the slow completly, and since you slow yourself by 60% you won't be able to stick to them.
Ashen Rider1 votesYou aren't required to have your w active while ulting.
One Ashe On1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ashen Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vRR12yJx,comment-id=000800000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-24T07:04:15.666+0000)
You aren't required to have your w active while ulting.
You realize that without hi W he do no damage and isn't tank at all?
Ashen Rider1 votesOk, think whatever you want. I'm just trying to bring sense into this circlejerk.
One Ashe On2 votes[{quoted}](name=Ashen Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vRR12yJx,comment-id=00080000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-25T00:07:43.412+0000)
Ok, think whatever you want. I'm just trying to bring sense into this circlejerk.
I'm actually making sense when you don't.. he got all of his spell basically nerfed, the self slow was just to much.
Ashen Rider1 votesAnd that's why he has a positive winrate, right?
One Ashe On2 votes[{quoted}](name=Ashen Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vRR12yJx,comment-id=0008000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-25T05:29:50.038+0000)
And that's why he has a positive winrate, right?
Win rate doesn't mean alot my friend.
Ashen Rider1 votesIt does when his winrate was lower prior to the changes.
SanKakU1 votesHis Q is a lot better than before, and his E is much better for dueling than his old E.
Junglerz Fault1 votesToo bad they can just run away from me after I hit E, and then run back and kill me.
SanKakU1 votesNot saying his W isn't super buggy, but you don't have to use it, you know. E by itself works fine. Yes, he can use at least a couple bug fixes, but it's not the end of the world.
Junglerz Fault1 votesIt is the end of the world if he is your main.
OP Garen Support5 votesRammus is dumspstered because of ADC meta. Riot does not care that there are multiple ADC's in game because AD dominates they nerf the champ that counters AD heavy teamcomp.
Big Lincoln4 votes"Most fun" where
AwesomeGuyDj4 votesQ i presume
Marshbouy4 votesYeah... what? his whole kit is incredibly boring. My guess is his thorn protection thing. Maybe if you really enjoy watch people hurt themselves, then it would be the most fun.
Sir Yamazuki4 votesI like this Rammus oddly.
hhaavviikk4 votesif their aim was to make rammus boring to play and make him terrible mid/late game then boy did they succeed! used to play allot of rammus, both in jungle and bot but now I don't play him anymore, only place he's useful is jungle because of his Q speed buff which means once ganking time is over and team fights start you're useless
Glory ln Death2 votesTerrible mid/late game? What are you talking about? Rammus is strongest at that point. In fact, early game, during "ganking time", is when he can best be described as "terrible".
https://na.op.gg/champion/rammus/statistics/jungle
Look at his winrate based on game duration. The longer the game goes, the higher his winrate, peaking at 35-40 minutes where he has the NUMBER 1 jungler win rate in the entire game, at 56%!
Junglerz Fault1 votesYou do realize this is the top of players right? For the very few top % of players yes he is better. For everyone else, he is one of the least fun champs to play now. That's what this game is about, fun right?
Glory ln Death2 votesConsidering his playrate is actually higher than it's been for most of this year, most other Rammus players seem to be disagreeing with you. In fact, the Rammus Mains subreddit is pretty unanimous that the rework was good and - while not a flat buff to him - increased his skillcap, build diversity, and general enjoyment to play.
Junglerz Fault1 votesMaybe to the higher tiers of league, while most people play in the lower tiers. Makes sense right?
Glory ln Death2 votesExcept, as I stated in my other comment, he actually does better in lower tiers. Stop ignoring the facts and actually look at reality, please.
Maybe you just can't adapt to the new Rammus, while most other Rammus mains have learned how to play with his update and have actually found that he is healthier and just as, if not more, enjoyable now. Which is understandable. Some people just can't get used to different playstyles. But there is nothing wrong with the new Rammus.
Junglerz Fault1 votesApparently you haven't read enough threads on the boards here either. If you did, you would see that i'm not the only one complaining about him. Summoner's Rift isn't the only game mode for this game okay? If you actually understood the impact that the gutting of Rammus has made on these other modes, then you would see what i'm saying. Stop ignoring reason please. There is plenty wrong with Rammus, and if you haven't mained him before or played him enough, then you wouldn't even know what i'm talking about. 60% W slow is not right in any scenario.
Glory ln Death2 votesThere have been a total of 3 or 4 other threads posted since the Rammus update - most of which were immediately after the update or even before it went live. This is the only one that has gotten any amount of upvotes, and only because the thread itself is focused on the self-slow and how it feels bad, rather than focusing on imaginary ideas that he has been "gutted".
Anyone can tell simply by looking at Rammus' statistics that he hasn't been anywhere near gutted. Even looking at your own account, you have an 80% winrate with Rammus since his update! And you're still complaining about him being "gutted"!
https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder815/65130815.jpg
I generally don't like to stoop to insults, but the sheer ignorance of your ramblings is absolutely astounding. You even have your own games to look at, but you still seem to think that Rammus has been thrown in the gutter. It's people like you who make these kinds of arguments that give credit to rank shaming.
You have an 80% winrate on Rammus. How is it that you consider him gutted?
if you haven't mained him before or played him enough, then you wouldn't even know what i'm talking about
Then, again, GO LOOK AT THE RAMMUS MAINS SUBREDDIT!! None of them agree with you! Rammus mains who are devoted enough to their champion to actively be part of a forum specifically dedicated to that champion all think that the update was good for him and improved him!
PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT OTHER MAINS THINK, NOT JUST YOUR BIASED, UNFOUNDED OPINION.
Junglerz Fault1 votes3 OR 4 THREADS? LOLOLOLOLOL That is just hilarious. I can cite about 30 off the top. He has been gutted whether this thread focuses on that or not. That is irrelevant. I was just building on to what the thread was about. And my own account is of no consequence. The main mode that I play him in LoL he is unplayable. Do you see that? That is someone actually using their brain and being intelligent. You know there is more than one mode to league, right? All you do is stoop to insults, which is what unintelligent people do when they don't know what they are talking about. Look at libtards, they will tell you. I dont give af about any subreddit. That is not a credible source anyway and it should not be used as reference. It's not just my opinion bud. I already told you to look at the forums, but apparently your search capability is about as low as your IQ. And yes I have resorted to insulting you, its just stooping to your level after all. I'm done here. Not wasting my time on a mouth breather like you. Look at that pic LOL.
Glory ln Death2 votesSo, basically, you are either a troll just trying to waste people's time on the Boards (in which case, you are very effective), or you have no concept of logical thought or reasoning (and I actually really hope that you're a troll, because the thought that someone could be this ignorant is worrying). As was stated at the beginning of one of the other comment chains, even though plenty of evidence has been provided to disprove your claims, you refuse to even look at it, while still failing to provide any actual evidence of your own.
Rammus' winrate has gone up across the board, in all elos - meaning he is stronger now.
Rammus' playrate has gone up across the board, in all elos - meaning more people enjoy playing him.
Rammus' itemization options have increased, allowing players more choice in what items they can viably build on him - meaning he is healthier.
Other Rammus players - as seen on the Rammus Mains Subreddit - have explicitly stated their approval of the update and how Rammus is more fun and enjoyable now than before.
But you have yet to state any facts proving your own argument, let alone disproving mine. Your entire argument is "I don't like him anymore". Even though you actually have a high winrate with him and continue to play only Rammus in 95% of your games. It kind of says something that, even though you "hate" Rammus now and it's "impossible to have fun with him", you still aren't even trying out different champions to play.
Unless you have actual facts to support your claims, stop trying to argue about Rammus. The only thing that you can say without evidence to back yourself up is your opinion. Stop trying to claim that Rammus is gutted and terrible now - the evidence shows otherwise. Stop trying to claim that Rammus is universally unfun to play - the evidence shows otherwise. Stop trying to claim that anyone who plays Rammus feels that way - the evidence shows otherwise.
You can talk about how you no longer enjoy him, because that is your own subjective feelings on the matter, but you can't talk about the rest of this without actual evidence. So, until you actually have evidence to support a real, adult discussion, stop posting.
Until you actually come back with facts and evidence, like an adult, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are a troll, and ignore you.
Junglerz Fault1 votesI have provided plenty of facts, but honestly, no numbers will prove the enormous amount of unhappy Rammus players, and you sure can't prove otherwise. So why don't you quit wasting everyone's time on here? And that high win rate of mine that you speak of is misleading and not my normal game mode which I am coming into this conversation with. Use your brain for once okay, I know you can do it instead of hurling insults at me. Besides, I am an extremely skilled Rammus to be able to do that and had to carry my whole team every game to do that, but thats besides the point. The evidence does not show how un-enjoyable he is now. The evidence shows how he is doing in ranked. You need to understand the difference between fun and doing well in ranked. And yes because kids come onto these boards without facts and evidence? Makes sense LMAO. Rammus was gutted and you just can't face it. You are hilarious. If you were going to ignore me, then you wouldn't have posted a novel LOL
Protoform X3 votesProbably my favorite champion before the W change, although I hardly ever played him due to intense fear of jungling. Now it's just upsetting to even think about.
korg0232 votesAm i supposed to max E first still or Q i am confused now...
PapaGreg212 votesAlways max E!
TóxicoChicoGuapo2 votesyou always maxed W before the changes for a faster jungle clear. then you went E. now id assume after changes its E first always.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votesIs Rammus fun to play against ??? Hell no
Junglerz Fault3 votesStill not a reason to nerf him into the ground.
LordGeovanni2 votesIf we nerfing by fun to play against the whole adc and assaasin classes 70% Of mages and 
all before Ramus oh did i mention
no to toxic2 votesI wished for Rammus to taunt his own teammates too
