GA should be reverted

Tychusfindlay918·Sep 7, 2018·15 votes·4,803 views

It'd be nice for the item to not be held hostage by AD champions alone.

25 Comments

chipndip1Sep 7, 201810 votes

Zhonya's shouldn't give ap.

Daddy AntsSep 8, 20181 votes

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Zhonya's shouldn't give ap.

It shouldn't give 70 AP

That's absurd.

koshkyraSep 8, 20182 votes

Then mages have no ap+armor

chipndip1Sep 8, 20182 votes

Then people need to not bitch about GA being AD + Armor.

Pokemonred200Sep 7, 20184 votes

Even as someone who plays mostly AD champions I feel like I don't need the AD from GA.

It's felt a lot less good to buy ever since the recipe got changed from item 1057 + item 1031 + money to item 1038 + item 1029 + money, especially when I'm an ADC who's dying to mages but doesn't necessarily want to buy or rely on a item 3156 .

That's just me, though. If I had my way, item 3102 would be an item with purely defensive stats that anyone could build and have a item 1057 component, and item 3001 would still be a mage item.

MalakSep 7, 20182 votes

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Even as someone who plays mostly AD champions I feel like I don't need the AD from GA.

It's felt a lot less good to buy ever since the recipe got changed from + + money to + + money, especially when I'm an ADC who's dying to mages but doesn't necessarily want to buy or rely on a .

That's just me, though. If I had my way, would be an item with purely defensive stats that anyone could build and have a component, and would still be a mage item.

Agree with you dude..

ForeverLaxxSep 8, 20181 votes

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Even as someone who plays mostly AD champions I feel like I don't need the AD from GA.

It's felt a lot less good to buy ever since the recipe got changed from + + money to + + money, especially when I'm an ADC who's dying to mages but doesn't necessarily want to buy or rely on a .

That's just me, though. If I had my way, would be an item with purely defensive stats that anyone could build and have a component, and would still be a mage item.

You can thank Riot's current item policy of "if it's pure defensively stated, then it's only for tanks (and maybe bruisers)." They believe players shouldn't be "forced" to build defensive items if it makes their damage suffer, so we get unnecessary item reworks as a result.

SpoofghoulSep 8, 20182 votes

Yep

i liked the previous iterations better too

They changed GA to AD because Marksmen used to buy it as one of their defensive options and that was alright in riots eyes.

But eventually everyone was buying it, courtesy of damage trending upwards, but now everyone felt like a shitty target to kill. So riot changed it. Ofc they had to add damage to it because damage was not high enough yet

Daddy AntsSep 8, 20183 votes

I want Zhonyas to give AP or AD (Adaptive) then.

I'd love to build a Zhonya's on my main champion and not be a troll because my main has no ap ratios of any kind.

LTK KoRoSep 8, 20181 votes

Agreed. Zhonya's active is great for nearly every class. Im sure fighters and assassins could love it. It should be opened up to other classes

SalronSep 8, 20182 votes

If GA gets reverted then banshees would also need to be reverted

ForeverLaxxSep 8, 20181 votes

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If GA gets reverted then banshees would also need to be reverted

I don't think anyone would mind, considering old Banshees is a far better defensive item than the new one.

SalronSep 8, 20182 votes

Not for mages, they can build the new one and barely miss out of damage or CDR Hell when it was first reworked you even saw it as a first item rush against stuff like LB

ForeverLaxxSep 8, 20181 votes

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Not for mages, they can build the new one and barely miss out of damage or CDR Hell when it was first reworked you even saw it as a first item rush against stuff like LB

I don't think you get the point of the post when I state Old Banshees is a better defensive item than New Banshees. Health, MR, and a Spellshield provide more defensive stats than just MR and a Spellshield. I don't care that Banshees was forced offensive stats in an attempt to fill the void that Abyssal Sceptre left behind when that was reworked to Abyssal not-Sceptre. Only reason you rushed it against LB was because spellshields hurt her in particular since her burst is gated by spell comboing, and completely blocking one spell of that combo handicaps her greatly.

Unless your point is that "the best defense is better offense," that is. Then yes, New Banshess (because it has more offensive stats attached for no reason) is a better "defensive" item than Old Banshees. Even though it isn't.

Daddy AntsSep 8, 20182 votes

AP has Zhonyas.

AD has GA.

SithesisLordSep 8, 20181 votes

AD has Duskblade.

AP SHOULD get DFG back.

LTK KoRoSep 8, 20181 votes

AP have Ludens as great and cheap starting option

AD should get something similar too

Alex h8721Sep 7, 20181 votes

Only issue w/ it is the massive value tanks get out of it, especially if they have item 3083 and can reset and heal up after the revive

PhearBunnySep 8, 20181 votes

Okay, but they would have to give AD compensation buffs to Zed. Lel.

BlueSmurf2018Sep 8, 20181 votes

or re-fucking moved

LTK KoRoSep 8, 20181 votes

together with zhonyas i hope

AnAggravatedPimpSep 8, 20181 votes

That's the point though? New GA was reworked to be the AD equivalent of hourglass. The change came after years of asking for an AD Hourglass since mages could build that and GA then get roughly 5 seconds of invulnerability. It was something that everyone barring mages agreed with, especially since the added AD meant players didn't just buy the item, die, then sell it for other stats until the cooldown wore out.

ThilmerSep 8, 20181 votes

Guardian Angel was a lot more balanced when it was a neutral ítem with armour an magic resistance.

And no, tanks didn't buy it; it gave shitty stats for a tank and the idea of a tank is not dying in the first place.

saltranSep 9, 2018

No AP champ bought old GA (outside of the tank Ekko abomination), so they made it better for the champs that do use it.

I dont see anything wrong there.

Tychusfindlay918Sep 9, 20181 votes

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No AP champ bought old GA (outside of the tank Ekko abomination), so they made it better for the champs that do use it.

I dont see anything wrong there.

It was bought most on bruisers and tanks, and ADCs started catching onto it en masse when riot changed the passive to include 700 HP on revive if 30% of your max HP would be less than that.