Honestly I’d kill for that at this point.
Having the option to just remove the top 5 Most broken items or even 1 or 2 would feel great. Especially considering you seem to have no intent on fixing sos, dd, duskblade or a few other choice problems.
(Excludes boot, component, starting and support items of course)
ZephyrDrake10 votesthat would be such an easy way to completely cripple entire classes of champions
The thigh guy1 votesthat would be such an easy way to completely cripple entire classes of champions
Except you can’t entirely remove a entire class with this due to the amount of items in the game.
TengenToppaGnar7 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-19T19:13:49.119+0000)
Except you can’t entirely remove a entire class with this due to the amount of items in the game.
Yes, but some high tier items, like Duskblade, would severely cripple Assassin's damage output. Banning items with Tenacity/Spell Avoidance would make Mages or CC whore teams stronger.
The thigh guy1 votesYes, but some high tier items, like Duskblade, would severely cripple Assassin's damage output. Banning items with Tenacity/Spell Avoidance would make Mages or CC whore teams stronger.
Good thing you pick champions after bans soooooooo.
Also only items to give static tenacity are merc treads which wouldn’t be bannable, and elixir of iron, which wouldn’t ever be worth banning.
Dynikus5 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-19T19:13:49.119+0000)
Except you can’t entirely remove a entire class with this due to the amount of items in the game.
what would an adc do if you banned 
what would an assassin do if you banned 
What would mages do if you banned 
What would you do against teams with CC if you banned 
What would you do against champs with strong healing if you banned 
Banning items makes absolutely no sense.
The thigh guy1 voteswhat would an adc do if you banned
Banning items makes absolutely no sense.
What would an adc do. That’s 5 bans. They’d pick a mage bot like they do now.
What would an assassin do, play a mage or bruiser.
What would a mage do. Pick an assassin.
Cc comp. pick a tank.
Sustain comp. oh look. Ignite is a thing. Also bramble vest.
It’s almost like this game has 140+ different champions who can all build different items.
And again. This assumes they ban all items and no champions. So you’ll have free reign over whatever champion picks.
Dynikus4 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-19T20:57:21.322+0000)
What would an adc do. That’s 5 bans. They’d pick a mage bot like they do now.
What would an assassin do, play a mage or bruiser.
What would a mage do. Pick an assassin.
Cc comp. pick a tank.
Sustain comp. oh look. Ignite is a thing. Also bramble vest.
It’s almost like this game has 140+ different champions who can all build different items.
And again. This assumes they ban all items and no champions. So you’ll have free reign over whatever champion picks.
So let's say, since I'm assuming you'd want 5 bans per team still,
were banned out in one game. Who the fuck are you supposed to play? You're getting rid of core items from a vast majority of the roster. How does this seem like a good idea?
Say I'm a new player and have 20 champions. And you ban out core items for all of them. I should just dodge, or accept that I'll be completely useless this game?
And there would be no reason to ever ban champions when you can just ban a champion's core itemization instead. Then you get rid of that champion, and any others that use the same items. Win win for the person banning them out.
The thigh guy1 votesSo let's say, since I'm assuming you'd want 5 bans per team still,
Say I'm a new player and have 20 champions. And you ban out core items for all of them. I should just dodge, or accept that I'll be completely useless this game?
And there would be no reason to ever ban champions when you can just ban a champion's core itemization instead. Then you get rid of that champion, and any others that use the same items. Win win for the person banning them out.
Again. Assuming no double bans, no champion bans, and that all these items specifically got banned in a specific order on each team. The exception is not the average.
Dynikus3 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-19T21:45:49.261+0000)
Again. Assuming no double bans, no champion bans, and that all these items specifically got banned in a specific order on each team. The exception is not the average.
Okay, so take out 2 or 3 of those for double bans if you want. You still didn't address the point, as that's a very real possibility, and a very likely one in pro play. You can't take a legitimate concern for your idea and just shrug it off because "nah that would probably never happen lol"
I can almost guarantee you'd see banned out in virtually every game.
The thigh guy1 votesOkay, so take out 2 or 3 of those for double bans if you want. You still didn't address the point, as that's a very real possibility, and a very likely one in pro play. You can't take a legitimate concern for your idea and just shrug it off because "nah that would probably never happen lol" I can almost guarantee you'd see
And every one of those items has a equivalent replacement. And again. They are giving up a champion ban for each of them.
Dynikus3 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-19T22:04:58.687+0000)
And every one of those items has a equivalent replacement. And again. They are giving up a champion ban for each of them.
Why would you ban a champion when you can ban a champion's core item, and make that champion useless? I'd have no reason to ever ban out zed if I can just ban duskblade and make zed, as well as most other assassins, useless. No, there aren't replacements for those items, as any of the items you're thinking of as replacements probably get built alongside them.
The thigh guy1 votesWhy would you ban a champion when you can ban a champion's core item, and make that champion useless? I'd have no reason to ever ban out zed if I can just ban duskblade and make zed, as well as most other assassins, useless. No, there aren't replacements for those items, as any of the items you're thinking of as replacements probably get built alongside them.
Okay. You ban duskblade. Not knowing what your enemy was going to pick. Now they pick talon and do exactly what zed was going to do. But with a youmuus instead.
Dynikus4 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-19T22:21:36.447+0000)
Okay. You ban duskblade. Not knowing what your enemy was going to pick. Now they pick talon and do exactly what zed was going to do. But with a youmuus instead.
Uhh Talon builds both. Both of them build both.
The thigh guy1 votesUhh Talon builds both. Both of them build both.
They can build both. Talons current core is Youmuu, edge of night, black cleaver. Duskblade comes after 3 other items.
Dynikus3 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=000100000001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-19T22:30:24.418+0000)
They can build both. Talons current core is Youmuu, edge of night, black cleaver. Duskblade comes after 3 other items.
I don't know where you're getting that information, but it's wrong. champion.gg, op.gg, probuilds, lolalytics all show it as his first or second item.
Austin Covello1 votesWell, for 
, let's try: 
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For 
... Aw man, my baby got hit HARD, but how about this old-fashioned build: 
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or even 
For Mages Like 
and 
, maybe this? 
(BTW, if I could ban an item, it would be , because let's face it, you ban that and bye-bye late-game for AP burst champions like 
. Sure, he'd be dangerous, but if you ban , he has only one NLR item left.)
Dynikus2 votes[{quoted}](name=Austin Covello,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-20T00:36:54.616+0000)
Well, for
For
or even
For Mages Like
(BTW, if I could ban an item, it would be
These are all suboptimal builds that will put you at a distinct disadvantage against anyone who can build normally though. That's the problem. Outright banning a champion just means you can't play them, but you can pick someone else who does something about as well. There are other mages, other assassins, other bruisers, etc. There aren't, however, other items that substitute core items as well.
Austin Covello1 votesWell, if everyone gets a ban, what are the odds that you lane against someone who has his/her full build? 90% of all mages/ADCs/Tanks etc. use the exact same core items. Even banning one item can effectively hurt an entire class of champions. If you want proof of that, look at the Season 8 crit rework and subsequent revert.
Schoenberg3 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-19T20:57:21.322+0000)
What would an adc do. That’s 5 bans. They’d pick a mage bot like they do now.
What would an assassin do, play a mage or bruiser.
What would a mage do. Pick an assassin.
Cc comp. pick a tank.
Sustain comp. oh look. Ignite is a thing. Also bramble vest.
It’s almost like this game has 140+ different champions who can all build different items.
And again. This assumes they ban all items and no champions. So you’ll have free reign over whatever champion picks.
Just imagine the item-ban metas alongside champion metas and the rito balance team trying to sort that mess out in a timely fashion.
Just. Imagine. The. Fun.
Just imagine.
The thigh guy1 votesJust imagine the item-ban metas alongside champion metas and the rito balance team trying to sort that mess out in a timely fashion.
Just. Imagine. The. Fun.
Just imagine.
They don’t seem to be sorting out any messes now. So I don’t think this’ll change that much of their big plan.
Schoenberg3 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=000100000001000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-19T21:46:31.517+0000)
They don’t seem to be sorting out any messes now. So I don’t think this’ll change that much of their big plan.
"They aren't correcting problems, so what's one more?"
Oh, oh, ahhhhh. Ohhhhhhhhhh. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I really don't have much else to say. I don't think there's much else to say.
Marshbouy6 votesThe creativity is nice, but it's a legitimately terrible idea. Many items are staples of classes or are the only way to deal with champions. Want to play a heal/sustain heavy comp? Just ban the like, 3 GW items and pubstomp anyone who fights you! Want to pick a mage? sorry, but someone banned out zhonyas and void staff, now you can't deal with assassins or tanks! Want to play a crit ADC? too bad! someone banned out IE.
etc.
The thigh guy1 votesThe creativity is nice, but it's a legitimately terrible idea. Many items are staples of classes or are the only way to deal with champions. Want to play a heal/sustain heavy comp? Just ban the like, 3 GW items and pubstomp anyone who fights you! Want to pick a mage? sorry, but someone banned out zhonyas and void staff, now you can't deal with assassins or tanks! Want to play a crit ADC? too bad! someone banned out IE.
etc.
Ignite is still a thing. And like I said. Champion picks happen after bans. So you can easily adjust accordingly.
Marshbouy6 votesOh good, either I need to completely counterpick them by choosing one of the handful of champions that has some extremely situational way of applying GW, or I just don't fight the enemy team every 3 minutes. Great plan!
The thigh guy1 votesOh good, either I need to completely counterpick them by choosing one of the handful of champions that has some extremely situational way of applying GW, or I just don't fight the enemy team every 3 minutes. Great plan!
That’s been the counterplay to assassins for years.
AeroWaffle6 votesStep 1, Ban Spirit Visage, Adaptive Helm, Abyssal Mask, Gargoyle Stoneplate, and Maw of Malmortius.
Step 2, "Magic resist? What magic resist? GL against our AP comp."
The thigh guy1 votesStep 1, Ban Spirit Visage, Adaptive Helm, Abyssal Mask, Gargoyle Stoneplate, and Maw of Malmortius.
Step 2, "Magic resist? What magic resist? GL against our AP comp."
Banshee, merc treads, zzrott, mercurial
AeroWaffle6 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-03-19T19:28:53.328+0000)
Banshee, merc treads, zzrott, mercurial
I'll let our ADC know they should build Banshee and Zzrott. Those definetely wont be hindering their build in the slightest. I'm sure AD tanks like having the additional AP and no health Banshee.
The thigh guy1 votesI'll let our ADC know they should build Banshee and Zzrott. Those definetely wont be hindering their build in the slightest. I'm sure AD tanks like having the additional AP and no health Banshee.
No Adc builds maw anymore. :/ almost the build mercurial.
Hotarµ4 votes** Let's say I'm an Assassin main.**
No Duskblade means Zed, Talon, Pyke, Rengar, Shaco, and Nocturne are all much weaker or unviable.
** Let's say I'm a Juggernaut or Bruiser main.**
No Black Cleaver? Bye Darius, Garen, and tons of other champions who use that as a core item. Also, good luck countering tanks or tanky-bruisers without that vital shredding item.
** Let's say I'm a Tank main and you have a full AD team.**
You banned Randuin's Omen, Dead Man's Plate, Frozen Heart, and/or Thornmail. Good luck surviving against an ADC.
So on and so forth.
The thigh guy1 votes** Let's say I'm an Assassin main.**
No Duskblade means Zed, Talon, Pyke, Rengar, Shaco, and Nocturne are all much weaker or unviable.
** Let's say I'm a Juggernaut or Bruiser main.**
No Black Cleaver? Bye Darius, Garen, and tons of other champions who use that as a core item. Also, good luck countering tanks or tanky-bruisers without that vital shredding item.
** Let's say I'm a Tank main and you have a full AD team.**
You banned Randuin's Omen, Dead Man's Plate, Frozen Heart, and/or Thornmail. Good luck surviving against an ADC.
So on and so forth.
Outside of coordinated 5 man play. No one is banning all items anyways. You still can and sometimes will have to ban champions.
Hotarµ3 votesDoesn't change the fact that classes are dependent on one or two items (Assassins with Duskblade, Mages with Zhonyas/Luden's, ADCs with IE/Guardian Angel, Bruisers with Black Cleaver, Supports with Locket/Redemption/etc.) and you don't need a coordinated 5 man to functionally remove those classes from the game. I could gimp the entire Assassin class by just banning Duskblade, Youmuu's, or Maw.
Banning a champion is different because other ones can still accomplish the same job (For example: Talon may not be an ideal pick in the moment but he can still assassinate the backline or ADC similar to how Zed can) but if you remove the item that makes all champions of that class viable you're messing with the core principles of the game.
And that's not a good idea.
The thigh guy1 votesDoesn't change the fact that classes are dependent on one or two items (Assassins with Duskblade, Mages with Zhonyas/Luden's, ADCs with IE/Guardian Angel, Bruisers with Black Cleaver, Supports with Locket/Redemption/etc.) and you don't need a coordinated 5 man to functionally remove those classes from the game. I could gimp the entire Assassin class by just banning Duskblade, Youmuu's, or Maw.
Banning a champion is different because other ones can still accomplish the same job (For example: Talon may not be an ideal pick in the moment but he can still assassinate the backline or ADC similar to how Zed can) but if you remove the item that makes all champions of that class viable you're messing with the core principles of the game.
And that's not a good idea.
Okay. Let’s say the enemy team focus banned assassin items. Guess what! You can still pick a mage! Let’s say they banned black cleaver. You can still go triforce. Let’s say they banned ie. You can still go on hit.
It’s almost like there are so many options it’s not possible to remove them all
Hotarµ5 votes#Everyone: "This invalidates my entire class"
#You: "Just pick a different class lol"
Let’s say they banned black cleaver. You can still go triforce.
No tank shred. Nice.
Let’s say they banned ie. You can still go on hit.
Yes, on-hit Jhin with BOTRK, Triforce, and Duskblade would work amazingly well.
Also, doesn't change the fact that you're ruining certain champion's most viable builds.
The thigh guy1 votes#Everyone: "This invalidates my entire class"
#You: "Just pick a different class lol"
No tank shred. Nice.
Yes, on-hit Jhin with BOTRK, Triforce, and Duskblade would work amazingly well.
Also, doesn't change the fact that you're ruining certain champion's most viable builds.
No tank shred? You still have Bork, last whisper items, liandries, conquerer.
You choose champions AFTER bans. How is this so hard for you to get?
Schoenberg3 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-19T21:45:00.162+0000)
No tank shred? You still have Bork, last whisper items, liandries, conquerer.
You choose champions AFTER bans. How is this so hard for you to get?
How is this so hard for you to get?
The thigh guy1 votesHow is this so hard for you to get?
It’s not. You don’t seem to understand that if and it’s a big fucking if, but if the enemy team uses all their bans to focus out let’s say, crit.
So they ban ie, Statik shiv, rapid fire, phantom dancer, and essence reaver. Oh. You can still pick any on hit Adc ever. And you are gaurenteed that pick because oh. They used all their bans on items.
They use all their bans on penetration. Pick the opposite of the pen they chose. So they banned all the armor pen. Cool. They are gonna go all armor tanks. Go ap heavy.
Resistance items are irrelevant because there are so many.
Oh they banned lethality items? Pick Leblanc, Katarina, akali.
You’re acting like this removes champions from the game entirely (which champion bans do) but t doesn’t. It’s adds another layer to the game.
Austin Covello1 votesAgain, I'm going to say that I'm against this for the main game and for it as an RGM.
Think of the opportunity this would present to try something new and non-meta for that champion. You could find a meta-breaking combination of items that work better than what you have. As an RGM, it might be fun, and it might spur some theorycrafting and innovation to revitalize stale champions.
Schoenberg3 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-03-19T20:31:36.383+0000)
Outside of coordinated 5 man play. No one is banning all items anyways. You still can and sometimes will have to ban champions.
What about when it does happen? Because it would.
The thigh guy1 votesWhat about when it does happen? Because it would.
Then they used all 5 item bans on one class and you can pick a different one all together. And you still got to ban a champion/item
fire2633 votesThis is just a flat out dumb idea.
There is a reason why pretty much every class has a core item that they build first, because most of that roster benefits from that item the most. Gives them early stats that they need, and buffs the champion much more than most other items can do. If you could ban these items, then this leaves many classes failing to have a good powerspike, and thus render them very bad. Take Irelia for example, Triforce is a much more important and beneficial item than Titanic would ever be. Let's say you decide to queue up for a game of league of legends ranked, and then both teams ends up banning items. I'm going with the extreme here and assuming that both teams end up banning the same exact items, most likely core items such as 
. With the banning of ludens, that essentially guts 
. Well, some of these champions can still be relevant building archangels, but oh wait, thats banned too. There's also the archangels users that we must now render useless as well, 
(Granted, Ezreal can also go back to usual build of single tear, but he loses out in a lot of power without archangels). Are you seeing the problem here? Just by banning 2 items 31 champions are rendered near useless as they rely so much on that certain item to powerspike. That's 21% of the champion roster, aka 1/5 of all champions unusable. And many mage mains also play other mages so saying "Play another role" isn't a solution. With the banning of infinity edge, essentially all crit ADC's lose one of the best items they have, making them 50x worse than ADC's that don't require crit such as Vayne, lucian, ez. There goes another 10-15 champion. Triforce is a little more flexible as many bruisers that build triforce build black cleaver, but they also become weaker with Black Cleaver build, and some can't do that at all such as gangplank, rendering another 10-15 champions useless. Duskblade is also the same boat, youmuu's and duskblade are pretty interchangable for first item, but when you get to second item it becomes a lot worse as one without the other is a lot worse for most assassins than you think, and they also lose on a ton of late game power, making another 10-15 champions unviable. And this is only the one rare extreme case in both teams banned same items, most likely you will see the banning of other certain core items, such as black cleaver, bork, or protobelt. Now that means more than 50% of the champiosn in the game become a lot, lot weaker, and many players are left with nothing that can comfortably play, along with Riot having to deal with a balancing nightmare of who's too strong one all core items are gone. This idea will never work until we double or triple amount of items in the game so each class has multiple options for starting items.
Voracity Dog1 votesi wish dude
Saezio1 votesLOL. just don't play until they fix the fuckin game. that's the only thing that will make em understand WE DONT LIKETHIS SHIT...EITHER CHANGE IT OR U LOST US FROM CLIENTS.
I am so tired and sad that people care about balance and the game more than devs.
Austin Covello1 votesYou know, I'm against this for the main game, but this might make for a fun RGM, at least. Why not give it a try that way. But here's the plot twist: You ban the items AFTER you select the champions, so it becomes more targeted.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Austin Covello,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-03-20T00:07:05.838+0000)
You know, I'm against this for the main game, but this might make for a fun RGM, at least. Why not give it a try that way. But here's the plot twist: You ban the items AFTER you select the champions, so it becomes more targeted.
Tbh that’s when it becomes an anti fun mechanic.
Schoenberg1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vQE2LQIg,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-03-20T00:56:09.062+0000)
Tbh that’s when it becomes an anti fun mechanic.
To be honest. Ya know, for once.
The JigSAW1 votesOr at least ban Yi from using Bloodrazor since he can't be slowed during his ult - they won't let Cass buy boots, why is this any different?