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Stop picking Yasuo into everything and on any situation...

YumaS2Astral··52 votes·5,888 views

...even when picking Yasuo is clearly a bad idea.

Today I got into a ranked game where the enemy firstpicked Yasuo. This is one of the biggest mistakes that one can make, because Yasuo is easy to counter. I picked Malzahar and stomped the enemy Yasuo, and managed to snowball and win.

On the next battle, that same Yasuo that was on the enemy team was on my team. I sucessfully convinced the first pick to ban Yasuo, and this player started to insult me due to this. I've already realized that he was toxic so I just muted him when the game started. We won.

I was going to play a third ranked game. Once again I tried to convince the first pick on my team to ban Yasuo, but this time, I failed. Fortunately he picked Darius instead. Then the enemy team firstpicked Fizz. And guess which champion the second pick on my team picked... Yasuo! Even though Yasuo is hard countered by Fizz, and even though we already had an AD top laner. Worse yet, my jungler decided to pick Ekko (a champion that does not have any knockups). Due to this fact and the fact that I couldn't get neither top nor mid (my best lanes) I decided to dodge. It is better to lose 10 LPs than to lose 20.

This experience on ranked games today led me to confirm something that I already knew: People do not know when it is the best time to pick Yasuo. Maybe that's why people on the boards complain so much. Most players just want to play him to have fun, because he can supposedly carry a game alone, etc. This is not a problem in normal games, where you can pick anything you want. But on ranked game you MUST play to win. And Yasuo is usually not the best pick to win unless your team can support him properly (with knockups, and to supplement his lack of magic damage). Also, you must make sure that the enemy didn't picked any counters to him, because while Yasuo can counter most mages, he can also be easily countered himself. People don't understand this, though, they just want to instalock him because "lel he is open, let's pick him and win".

That's why most of time I ban Yasuo. Not because he is OP (though I find him to be OP with the recent changes to masteries and items). But because I don't want to risk someone on my team picking him and ruin the entire game.

Also, one last thing: If the first player on your team picked Yasuo, at least try to support him. Try to pick champions with knockups, preferably ones that can deal magic damage, such as Malphite, Cho'Gath, Lulu, etc.

82 Comments

Jungle Lux God26 votes

To be fair, your jungler picking Ekko in your third game actually wouldn't be too bad.

Your jungler recognized that your team needed some magic damage, and he picked his champion to compensate for having such low magic damage.

Obviously you'd want to set up a knockup for Yasuo, but Ekko wasn't bad in the context of the rest of the team comp, not to mention that Yasuo would have an allied knockup with your Darius.

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

I personally would have taken a Cho jungle, but I can understand people not thinking it's viable.

It Hertz When IP2 votes

I've done Jungle Cho. Clearing is a breeze and your ult is practically a second Smite on a lower CD, but I'm too used to having a gapcloser to effectively gank with him. Gotta work on that I guess.

Transgressor1 votes

Chogath Fizz Malphite Maokai Sejuani XinZhao RekSai MonkeyKing

Very viable AP and AD junglers that can make due and support a Crapsuo at the same time.

That Ekko pick was just shit, from a bad player.

Jungle Lux God14 votes

That's implying that the Ekko player knew how to play those champions.

Obviously you can't go into ranked not knowing how to play a champion, and that Ekko player might not have known how to play Cho'Gath/Fizz/Malphite or whatever other AP jungler was available.

The Ekko pick was bad, but in the context of the rest of the team it wasn't too bad.

Transgressor1 votes

All we know about the context is that they were all AD, since Ekko was the mandatory AP pick, and that top was Darius.

That's our context for OP's team.

Are you suggesting he knew how to jungle Ekko but didn't know how to jungle Malphite? Are you suggesting Fizz takes skill to play?

Hah, nice, never heard that one before.

21028037DEL17 votes

No, he's not suggesting that, but it's quite possible that yes, he knew how to play Ekko jungle and not Malphite and Fizz.

I main support. Sometimes I'm forced into other roles. I can do certain ADs (Jinx, Vayne, Lucian, but dear god don't ask me to play Tristana), certain mids (Lux, Ahri, Morgana, but don't dare ask me to play an assassin), certain junglers (Kayle, Nautilus, Ekko, but don't ask me to play any of the ones you listed), and certain tops (Kayle, Tahm Kench, Vayne, but don't ask me to play any melees).

So, in otherwords, I enjoy playing ranged champions or utility-based champions. I dislike melee champions. Same thing could very well be said for the Ekko you played with. People have different playstyles, and I'd say him picking an AP-jungler with a good amount of utility was a good idea.

Maximum Morde21 votes

{quoted}

Also, one last thing: If the first player on your team picked Yasuo, at least try to support him. Try to pick champions with knockups, preferably ones that can deal magic damage, such as Malphite, Cho'Gath, Lulu, etc.

I'd rather lose than help a Yasuo player.

Lithium Rosa2 votes

It depends on elo. When you have a first player who locked Yasuo in Challenger you know he locked because he is confident and worth supporting. A first picked Yasuo in silver is basically saying "IDC whatever". They have a high chance to feed no matter what you pick and how you support them.

YumaS2Astral4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vPOimvsp,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-12-07T17:01:32.168+0000)

I'd rather lose than help a Yasuo player.

On ranked victory is the number 1 priority and I would rather help a Yasuo player now matter how much I hate them, than lose.

In a war against a common enemy, all the differences must be set aside.

Maximum Morde5 votes

{quoted}

On ranked victory is the number 1 priority and I would rather help a Yasuo player now matter how much I hate them, than lose.

In a war against a common enemy, all the differences must be set aside.

I can respect that attitude, but on my main account I've got like a 65% winrate still, so I can afford to lower my odds of winning every now and then when a weeb manages to sneak it's way on my team. I'm not advocating throwing, I'm just saying I dgaf if what I pick synergizes with that weeb samurai or not.

MEMEME6704 votes

I'm not sure I follow. Just because someone picks yasuo, they're a "weeb", and this inherently is a bad thing?

Transgressor4 votes

Beeing a weeaboo is inherently a bad thing.

MEMEME6702 votes

Okay, sure. But what exactly is a weeaboo and why is anyone who picks Yasuo one? (I'm assuming it's not just 'someone who picks Yasuo', because that's circular logic).

Transgressor4 votes

"A non japanese person who basically denounces their own culture and calls themselves japanese. They try to learn japanese through the anime they watch and usually end up pronouncing it wrong and looking like a complete idiot.

KEEP IN MIND: that a non-japanese person can like the culture, watch anime, speak the language and RESPECT THE CULTURE, while still keeping in touch with their own. Which keeps them from being a Weeaboo, japanophile, ect.

Weeaboo's basically disrespect the culture and make complete asses of themselves"

http://el.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Weeaboo

The Yasuo part, that was just a derogatory insult, like calling a Vayne player Gosu wannabe. Yasuo's lore is textbook anime plot, which reinforces the whole argument.

MEMEME6704 votes

Let me get this straight.

You are saying someone cannot pick Yasuo without being a weeaboo. Like it's impossible for them to pick Yasuo and never have read his lore, or to pick him simply because they enjoy his gameplay.

Transgressor4 votes

I'm not saying anything. I've been pretty clear on my statements. You had a question, I provided explanation and source, as well as clarification to the context.

The rest, take it with the other guy, not me.

MEMEME6703 votes

Oh whoops, I thought you were the original guy I responded to. Sorry about that, my bad.

Left Hook Larry3 votes

Ignore the 12 year old silvers on this forum

Stars Shaper6 votes

That's what you get when the Boards are flooded with threads that treat Yasuo as an allmighty entity that wins by default any kind of opponent while the reality is that if you don't have:

  • Good baseline gameplay
  • Good and sinergetic team
  • Good control over Yasuo himself

You are going to fail hard.

Abyssphere5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vPOimvsp,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-07T15:34:16.028+0000)

That's what you get when the Boards are flooded with threads that treat Yasuo as an allmighty entity that wins by default any kind of opponent while the reality is that if you don't have:

  • Good baseline gameplay
  • Good and sinergetic team
  • Good control over Yasuo himself

You are going to fail hard.

I don't feel like the League population bases its pick preferences over what a forum says. The vast majority of the "pick Yasuo every game" players have probably never even read a thread about him on here.

Stars Shaper3 votes

While this is true I think that the Boards are still a good index about how the game is perceived in terms of "balance" reguardless of how many players follow them.

Anidan3 votes

When I go to the boards, I see a better index of who is annoying to play against than anything about balance.

These are the boards that seem to assume that if you have a low pick rate, you can completely avoid being nerfed because obviously if you have a low pick rate you must not be that strong.

Stars Shaper1 votes

And that's why I used the word "perceived" ^^

Lithium Rosa6 votes

It's not about Yasuo. You know these insta lock Tryn/Yi/Yasuo/Zed/cool-look-assassin kids have been out there for a long long time, they are just a natural part of league community, you can't create a brain for them, there is nothing you can do, just climb to higher rank and hope there will be less retards.

Lithium Rosa4 votes

They don't care about team comps, they don't care about counter picks, I'm going to lock Yasuo because fuck you that's why. The worst part is they are still not skilled in their dream champion even after 1000 games and they will not learn anything after 1000 defeats.

Nechronia5 votes

Does your team have nothing but physical damage? Pick Yasuo Does the enemy team have Rammus, Malphite, and Taric? Pick Yasuo Does your team have no knock ups? Pick Yasuo Does their entire team have champions that counter Yasuo and no one on your team synergises with him at all? Fucking pick Yasuo

Only Play Darius3 votes

A Yasuo that can carry a team with no other knockups is a skilled Yasuo

Malix Farwin5 votes

Yasuo can theoretically beat any match-up it is based almost entirely on how good the Yasuo player is. AP match-up he has to pay a bit more careful at the beginning however he will out sustain them and resourceless, not to mention there isn't really a situation where he can't farm.

YumaS2Astral2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vPOimvsp,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-12-07T18:05:37.747+0000)

Yasuo can theoretically beat any match-up it is based almost entirely on how good the Yasuo player is. AP match-up he has to pay a bit more careful at the beginning however he will out sustain them and resourceless, not to mention there isn't really a situation where he can't farm.

Yeah, that's basically the problem with Yasuo, he doesn't have any hard counters, even matchups that can theorically beat him on lane phase, Yasuo can farm against them and wait for ganks.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vPOimvsp,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-12-07T18:05:37.747+0000)

Yasuo can theoretically beat any match-up it is based almost entirely on how good the Yasuo player is. AP match-up he has to pay a bit more careful at the beginning however he will out sustain them and resourceless, not to mention there isn't really a situation where he can't farm.

Yasuo theoretically can't beat Annie in any way.

Spoofghoul4 votes

If someone on my team picks Yasuo

Then this is what i do

Karthus item 3006 item 3031 item 3087 item 3094 item 3072 item 3036

Malicious Metal9 votes

How would this even work? Karthus doesn't have an auto attack o_O

Spoofghoul3 votes

it isnt supposed to work lol

its just im tired of seeing yasuo everywhere so maybe if i make sure people dont have fun when playing yasuo they will no longer pick him

Malicious Metal5 votes

Welp, looks like my attemp at making a joke failed :P

Transgressor3 votes

It must be the spam of Mordekaiser threads clouding your judgement.

It's going to be ok, don't worry about it.

Left Hook Larry3 votes

So you admit to trolling? Lmfao and you won't be banned but someone who says fuck you for ruining their 20minutes and losing them the game will.

Spoofghoul1 votes

its not trolling

its strategic diversity ad karthus hidden op

and people whom pick yasuo are trolling everyone else so maybe they should be banned

Left Hook Larry1 votes

"it isnt supposed to work lol'

In other words, intentionally trying to lose

Spoofghoul1 votes

So you are suggesting then that ad karthus is supposed to work

Biffolo1 votes

That's a great mentality to take into ranked.

Warwick the OP1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vPOimvsp,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2015-12-07T19:58:12.113+0000)

How would this even work? Karthus doesn't have an auto attack o_O

exactly

Masala Chai4 votes

The scary thing is that I've seen Yasuo in every role. ADC Yasuo, Support Yasuo, Yasuo JG. Like seriously. They go 0-13 by end game, ADC because they think they're God Faker. and JG because they got executed at wolves. Seriously people, stop SPAMMING HIM.

DarkRitual4 votes

I actually saw a support Yasuo do well. He was paired with a Kalista. The ult wombo combo was pretty hardcore.

Shonjl1 votes

Also I have seen a good Jng Yas before, its pretty scary seeing a Tornada come out of nowhere and him ult into you as they gank you with no escape really.

But I agree, I laugh when I see him played so often, often poorly, and in the wrong places. I am impressed when that is all said and done and they still do good though.

Transgressor4 votes

If the first player on your team picked Yasuo, at least try to support him

He can go fuck himself as hard as he possibly can.

90% of the Yasuos since the damn up preseason started have been the absolute fucking worst pieces of shit I've had the missfortune to play with. You're getting no help from me, you instapicked Yasuo, now make due. And since you're going to turn the game into a 6vs4 anyway, I'll mute you instantly to save my time.

Let's ban the kid that told me "fuck you", not the 0/18 Yasuo for the 8th fucking game in a row- Riot 2015 and counting.

MEMEME6703 votes

So you're saying you instantly write off Yasuo players on your team because OTHER people you've seen play Yasuo have done bad? Even going so far as to ignore them, regardless of what is best for your team in that specific game?

AND you're saying you would rather someone who has a bad game be banned, as opposed to someone who purposefully tries to make other people feel bad?

Transgressor2 votes

someone who purposefully tries to make other people feel bad

I'm not 12, flamers don't faze me, I don't give a fuck. I can ALWAYS mute them.

Fucking trolls on the other hand, there's nothing you can do about them.

MEMEME6703 votes

So because there is a mute option you believe players should be allowed to say whatever they want?

Also, if the player is trolling that's a different story, one which you didn't make clear in your original post, and yeah they should be punished.

Gentzer2 votes

Yes please less Yasuo.

I want to play Veigar but I'm always against sodding Yasuo XD

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